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Why am I not excited for this film?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by cassidy, Aug 28, 2019.

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    I feel personally attacked, sir. Starcraft? Out of all the Blizzard franchises to choose from to make your argument, you literally go for one that's only had two games over the course of two decades. A franchise that's been self-sustained by its playerbase and its strong e-sports tradition - and not by the shameless recycling and reiteration of content that plagues so many other game franchises.

    As for my excitement levels on Episode IX, I would say that they're kinda just lukewarm. This isn't a bad thing, really. When it comes to new movies, the anticipation towards the premiere does a lot less for me than when the movie finally gets released. I can't cash in that excitement now and I see it pointless to harbor it until December comes around. It makes waiting for sequels of your beloved sagas and series a lot less painful, in my opinion.

    I like to believe that I picked up this mentality from waiting for new A Song of Ice and Fire books because boy, have we learned to take abuse in that regard! Can't say the wait hasn't been worth it every single time, though.
     
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    No one robbed anyone of anything.
     
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    You got what I said :D Replace it with Diablo and it's OK.
     
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    I'm confused... aren't haters a small minority?

    Shouldn't it be clear that we're just loud?

    I don't want to put the words of others in your mouth, but it seems the popular opinion is that those who dislike TLJ is an irrelevant minority. If that's the case, I'm sure Disney would be aware of that...at the very least, they'd have more info to work with then mere fans.

    As for getting what we want, I don't see this "tiny minority" as being joint in their dislike. Even with TLJ, some who hate or dislike it do so for completely different reasons than others. Sometimes and usually even, there's overlap, but it seems just as often as not there isn't (that's kind of the problem, we really don't know). What the tiny minority agrees with is their dislike for TLJ, beyond that everything is different and splinters, or is at the very least, unclear. Some fans want more movies so they can be distracted by it and forget about TLJ, others want it to die, and everything in between. Much like... wait for it.... those who love TLJ.

    You see, we're not that different, we all want SW that we love. Even those who want it to die. Those who want it to die likely want someone else, maybe GL himself, to pick it up and do better. Do better is the common theme, but it changes from each individual fan. Even some people who like and love TLJ desperately want something apart from the saga and the Skywalkers.

    Either way, Disney doesn't listen to fans, it listens to money. The only thing that will change their direction is profits or lack of profits. If their decision to slow production is due to the hooting and hollering, it's because they either believe the backlash isn't a minority, or that it will cost them enough that they want to please more fans to make more money. At least that's what I think.
     
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    I'm not really sure what about my post would make anyone feel a need to defend the pessimism, but cool.
     
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    Absolutely. This is all that matters. For people that defend TLJ saying that it made over a billion dollars, so it was obviously successful, doesn't understand that we all had to SEE that film in order to have an opinion of it. TROS box office numbers will be crucial for Disney to plan its next steps with the franchise, this is likely why we don't have any concrete info on future trilogies.
     
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    Maybe I made an assumption that makes me out to be an "ass" lol... I assumed the "they" in your post were those who are vocal in their dislike of TLJ, which is what slowed production.

    I see that opinion as flawed, though it could be true... from a certain point of view.

    It think the discord is more problematic than the dislike of TLJ. If I were in KK's shoes, I wouldn't know what to do either anymore. I don't have a solution, but it started around TLJ and there's no way to fix that without losing fans. If it's clear to Disney that they vocal minority is so minute, then it would be clear. I just don't think it is. Disney wants to maximize profits, or at the very least mitigate its losses, which to me means they must at least believe it possible that the vocal minority is large enough to really hurt the bottom line.

    It just struck me as funny, simplifying a very complicated issue. I don't envy LFL. As for the pessimism, it's mostly unavoidable due to the nature of the ST and its acceptance or lack thereof within the fandom. Until it becomes clear who LFL will cater to, some will stick around hoping they "get back on track". I don't pretend to know what they should do, I just know I want to love SW again, and I don't see how that happens moving forward. It would be nice if IX managed it, but I really doubt it and don't even know if that would be good for SW moving forward as it would likely cause more division if I got what I wanted.
     
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    Celebration 2017 and the marketing for TLJ made me as excited for a Star Wars movie as I can remember. I was rewarded with what I consider the best Star Wars film of all time. My excitement for TROS couldnt be greater. Especially with the way the world is today.
     
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    Yeah... but... let’s consider the following:

    (figures from https://www.the-numbers.com)

    TLJ grossed 66.21% of the amount TFA did in the US at the box office (which is roughly in line with what TESB and AOTC did as the second episode of the trilogy.

    TFA:
    US Box Office: $936662225
    Domestic video sales (DVD + BD): $190646877
    % of Box Office: 20.35%

    TLJ:
    US Box Office: $620181382
    Domestic video sales (DVD + BD): $87991062
    % of Box Office: 14.19%

    So in percentages of their respective box offices, TLJ has sold just 6.16% of its BO total less than TFA did of that BO total. Given an additional 2 years of streaming advancing on Blu-ray and DVD sales, TFA being a bigger film, and having the 2-year head start on sales, that’s really not a huge drop, is it? I don’t have streaming/rental revenue to compare, but I’d be surprised if the streaming wasn’t closer or even inverted in terms of percentages of box office.

    Now compared with each other, TLJ sold 69.7% as much as TFA did (that is 14.19 into 20.35 = 69.7).

    So. What does that mean, if anything?

    You’d have to be crazy to ignore the fact that lots of people were disappointed by The Last Jedi. I fully accept that is the case. But... if it was really the case that it was a majority of fans who disliked it, I would have expected the percentage of box office converting into home video sales to be far worse than it is. It suggests to me that maybe about approximately 30% of the audience of TLJ disliked it enough compared with TFA that they didn't buy it on disc (before accounting for things like increased streaming etc that I mentioned). If you translated the worldwide box office as 70% like, 30% dislike, it'd still be a ~$900+ million movie - a huge success by any reasonable standard for a $317m budgeted movie.

    But I dunno. I’m guessing like everyone else! Others are free to draw different conclusions from the numbers I have posted, just thought it might be interesting.

    I am sorry if anyone didn’t like TLJ, and I hope they like TRoS more and I hope TRoS helps people who didn’t like TLJ to like TLJ more than they do now.

    I mean I love TLJ and still I hope TRoS makes me love the whole Sequel Trilogy even more, why wouldn’t I? :D
     
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    TLJ sold over 130,000,000 movie tickets.
    Lets for a moment put aside the fact that RT was review bombed. 210,000 reviews exist on the site and it has a 44% audience score. That means 56% or 117,000 gave it a negative review. So of 130,000,000 117,000 gave it a negative review. I only used RT because of the sites it is the lowest score. RT at the time was also the site that had no protection to stop review bombs. Since then RT has adjusted 4 times because of coordinated attacks of genre films (Including TLJ) that were targets because of positive takes on diversity within the film and/or the cast like the Star Wars movies have been attacked since Disney took over.
     
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    What other movies had been targeted ?
     
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    So let's see if 130,000,000 tickets are sold for TROS. Keep in mind TLJ sold roughly half as many tickets and blu rays as TFA. Again, this goes along with the fact that those of us that didn't like the movie, didn't know we wouldn't like the movie until we saw it.
     
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    Black Panther and Captain Marvel are the only two I know of outside of TLJ. With the recent changes RT has made, there is some truth about people review bombing before the movie has even came out.
     
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    Never seen anyone of those so I can't tell. BP has 79%, Miss Marvel 55%
     
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    That is very true however I doubt meny of them would go back for repeated viewings
    Now this is from the U.K. because that where I’m from & it has a strong love of Star Wars.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/uk/opening/

    Now the interesting part is the % of its box office it took opening weekend now if a majority of those that saw TLJ. didn’t particularly like it I would have expected those percentages to be much higher.
    Like Specter which had a huge opening ( In large part due to how well received SKYFALL was) instead & then hardly anyone saw it again.
     
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    okay all: ONCE AGAIN

    i know there are a lot of emotions associated with the experience of going into the next installment, but we are NOT going to devolve into a numbers argument again.

    ALL of your opinions are valid and you don't need numbers to "make your case".
    please stick to the subject and drop the box office and amazon figures.
    if you're really basing your excitement on $ and likes and other such data, then there are other threads for discussing that.

    please get back to the subject or find one of those other threads.

    thank you! : D
     
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    Sure.

    But these ratings aren't only on Rotten Tomatoes.

    Here in France we have the same kind of websites ( allociné ) and the ratings are :

    BP : 3,9/5
    CM : 3,7/5
    TLJ : 2,8/5

    Coco for example had 4,5/5

    Coco from Pixar, the one with Gad Elmaleh has 1,4 :D
     
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    Somebody above placed that the plate is quite empty after TFA and TLJ.
    This kind of cleaning the dishes for the last installment can - as always - lead to a good finishing movie or not, BUT it opens a wider space for creativity.
    Like JJ said after TFA. Whenever the GOLDEN THREE and ESPECIALLY LUKE SKYWALKER entered the room, everybody was completely focused on them and nearly forgot the others. Like: Who is that kid beneath the mighty Luke (Leia, Han).
    I think, to let everything and everyone (of the old ones) die, like Kylo said (and he also had to do the job) , was part of the overall concept.
    I hope JJ and Terio make the best of a relatively clean surface and that they have crafted an interesting story - with some nostalgia for the SW feeling for sure - but with space for some surprising plots for the main St protagonists..
    "..BUT THIS IS YOUR FIGHT NOW.."
     
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    I am just nervous that there will be some political tone or message in the movie. I mean I get that ANH had the whole Vietnam thing going on, but hopefully JJ just gives us a complete story and closure on the saga. I really do not want a 3 hour long lecture on political issues.
     
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