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RUMOR Why Colin Trevorrow was allegedly fired.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BobRoss, Feb 27, 2018.

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Which approach to IX do you prefer?

  1. Trevorrow's (Luke and Snoke alive)

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  2. Johnson's (Luke and Snoke dead)

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  1. BobRoss

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    So I stumbled across this article on the interwebs and it basically says that Trevorrow was fired over creative differences with Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson.

    "[...] There were two key things Trevorrow wanted to be changed - and they were not minor. These two things have been known for a while around Disney. Firstly, he wanted Luke to still be alive in 9. He strongly disagreed with killing Luke off in 8 when he had just been re-introduced. Luke and Leia were to be a pivotal part of his script, with Leia's Force affinity revealed in a much more brother/sister way that was apparently going to be "beautiful and tragic". Mark Hamill loved it. "We were on the same page," as he's said about Trevorrow's storyline. However, Kennedy and Johnson wanted Luke dead - period. Second, he wanted Snoke to live, as his back story was to be more discussed. Fisher dying scuttled his original plan for the Leia Force affinity reveal, of course. But he still needed Luke alive for the story he wanted to tell to end the trilogy - more of a Luke handing off the baton to Rey and a Luke "walking off into the sunset" idea, in the last film - rather than Luke dying in 8. They refused. He argued. They fired him. [...]"

    Do you think this whole story sounds plausible? And more importantly. Would you have preferred Trevorrow's setup for IX over the setup we got or do you think Rian's approach is the better option? In case you want to read the whole article, here's the link
    https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/star-wars-rumor-colin-trevorrows-episode-ix-would-have-been-epic
     
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    It sounds like a set up to get more fans fired up to get KK fired and RJ removed from his upcoming trilogy. Allot of, I told you so's will be in order...
     
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    It sounds like a lot of stoking of flames to get clicks and get ad revenue.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 27, 2018, Original Post Date: Feb 27, 2018 ---
    FWIW, Cosmic Book News is one of those sites (like ScreenRant) that does stuff like this to generate clicks. They "report" a lot of half truths and half stories to get dem clicks.

    It's like a digital tabloid.
     
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    Let's start with this.... that site is garbage.

    It is rumored that CT wanted things changed in TLJ. Here's the most plausible scenario:

    CT's script was almost finished in December 2016. So his story pitch had already been approved. Unfortunately it's at this point Fisher passes away. Keep in mind TLJ has already been filmed. CT has written a sequel with TLJ in mind. Lucasfilm meets after Fisher's passing to determine how Leia will be handled. There was a long of speculation at that point about whether or not Leia would be recast or that they'd use CGI. Whatever was decided changed CT's story significantly.

    It wasn't too long after the Lucasfilm decision that the CT script rewrites started and continued until he was let go. It stands to reason if Leia couldn't be used in IX and that CT wanted Leia to die in TLJ. RJ has said that Leia dying was discussed, but they would have had to change a lot of the film and cut the Luke/Leia moment.

    Essentially that tabloid article is saying that CT wanted to change the entire film which is ludicrous.

    The rumor came from this reddit post. The user was reporting statements made by Ben Bateman who was a guest on Collider Movie Talk.
     
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    Yep.
    There's no way CT would have written ANYTHING without a cursory reading of TLJ script and knowing what is going on...IE which characters he had or didn't have to work with. The notion otherwise is absurdity to the max and pandering to those left feeling disaffected by TLJ. It's how politicians appeal to the downtrodden and those who feel oppressed. Just a little stretch of the truth here and white lie there...

    It's 1000x more likely they couldn't agree on how to solve the passing of Carrie Fisher and thus moved on.
     
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    Seems plausible to me. Maybe the finer details might not be 100% correct but it seems plausible that CT had a story in mind, Carrie Fisher died, and so he wanted Luke and Snoke to live. Given that Luke dies at the end of TLJ, and Snoke was MOCAP/CGI, I'm not sure why this couldn't be accommodated except that it required creativity that I suspect Rian just didn't have. Canto Bight, for me, was an indicator that Rian was really only prepared and committed to telling one story and he was incapable of telling additional stories or modifying the one he was focused on telling. In the end, we'll never know what the truth is (unless the parties speak out) but I'm fine with my speculation.
     
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    It's possible, no way to know for sure though.

    I'd grasp at anything other than TLJ we have, but I feel there are so many issues with this movie that it probably wouldn't have made much of a difference either way.

    We'd probably still have Canto Bight, Holdo (hyperspace attack, weird subversion, poe dynamic), slow motion chase, Leia Poppins, humor issues, Hux the fool, lightning powered ghost, mary sue accusations, wasted Finn, Poe bashing for making sense, I could probably go on and on. There's also no guarantee they'd do Luke any better... maybe he'd end this movie on a darker note had he another to potentially be able to redeem himself in.

    Those of us who dislike TLJ, mostly it goes beyond just Luke.
     
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    This is a post @LadyMusashi made on this exact topic.
     
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    RJ wrote his script when TFA was being filmed. This is complete BS.
     
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    I am glad how the story was handled by RJ and KK. That's all.
     
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    of course Luke & Snoke alive for IX. Colin's idea was much better.
     
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    there will be nothing but rumors about CT losing the job of doing episode 9... we certainly wont hear a peep out of him while he still hopes to work for Disney in the future.

    my wacky and off the wall theory.... JJ decided he wanted it, and KK gave it to him. if this is the case, CT would have been offered a sweetener to do some other big Disney film in the future.
     
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    I don’t understand your logic here. If someone did not display creativity that’d have been CT, who could not or did not want to adapt his script to carrie’s death. (and this is only speculation because who knows what really happened). Why to demand creativity from RJ, who had the whole film in celluloid and was probably in the final stages of production and not from CT, who was just at the script writing stage?

    And let’s not forget that Luke’s and Snoke’s deaths are of real significance to the message and character trajectory of the film. Luke becomes the ultimate hero and Snoke’s killing defines Kylo’s growth. It would have been unfair to ask RJ to change his film’s themes and characterisation at this late stage.
     
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    I think we already heard an 'indirect' statement from Colin. It was mentioned as JW, but I think it meant more SW. :p
     
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    Yeah, and CT had the final script on hand when he started writing IX. So the logical inconsistancy and implausibility of the video is off the charts.
     
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    It also didn't help that The Book of Henry was considered a flop by critics.
     
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    Doesn't really seem plausible. Colin would've had to work with whatever he got in EpIX. If RJ killed Snoke and Luke, then they're off the table, and it's his job to create a good story without them. He really didn't have a say, and if KK had already decided that these two were gone, I can't really see him winning that confrontation.

    Look at it this way, though- what are two things a lot of people have their undies in a bunch about in TLJ? How Snoke and Luke were handled.

    If I was a trashy tabloid that wanted to stir up controversy, this story writes itself.
     
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    Eh.
    Still don't think that was a reason. Every director has flops.
    Spielberg was given Raiders right after 1941.
    (the KK/Lucas connection is worth noting in Spielberg getting his bounce back flick)
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    Yep. But now people will attach themselves to this as if were a metaphorical border wall.
     
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    Mob mentality is a hell of a drug.
     
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    I still can't help taking a step back, and remembering that CT does not make good films.

    I was glad to hear he was gone.

    *shrug*
     
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