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RUMOR Why Colin Trevorrow was allegedly fired.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by BobRoss, Feb 27, 2018.

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Which approach to IX do you prefer?

  1. Trevorrow's (Luke and Snoke alive)

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  2. Johnson's (Luke and Snoke dead)

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  1. RoyleRancor

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    Amazing what people will do/say/post to take advantage of people who are upset with even something as innocuous as Star Wars.
    Now they have those who WANT to believe this, despite it making no logical sense, by the ear and can publish anything and have a built in readership.
     
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    Colin Treverrow must have had the same criticisms of TLJ as they had, it must be.......it must be. "They assassinated Luke Skywalker" after all, just like they "assassinated Han" by narrative and Leia by "plane".

    those same people two years before

    "Colin Treverrow is going to direct IX...........NO........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......he sucks. Book of Henry.......Jurrassic World.......nooooooooooo. Petition....let ....George Lucas (of all people..) end the trilogy he started..........makes perfect sense.
     
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    More or less, this seems to be the trajectory.
     
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    This whole h8te parade is an exercise in patience for me. Because 95% of it is bullsh<self edited>
     
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    I see your points and I won't make an oppinion based on a rumor but there is one thing that really worries me about the whole story. Mark Hammil stated in an interview that he was on the same page with CT while in other interviews he says that he doesn't really like what Rian did with Luke. This indicates that CT was going more for a traditional, fan pleasing approach to SW which was what Hamill seemed to have in mind as well while RJ had is own plans. I consider Hamill to be a down to earth and honest guy so his earlier statements about CT are why I even posted this article in the first place.
     
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    The idea that CT or fans would clamor for Snoke to be alive is something that I just don't get. It's way to Starkiller base to keep him alive and keep up this Emperor-Vader dynamic. Its way more fascinating to see a rather unhinged Kylo unleashed and in charge. It's like a thread I saw on here a while ago that speculated on what it would have been like if Vader overthrew the Emperor. For those who want more back-story on Snoke, I have no doubt that will be coming... just not in IX. But we'll see him again in either TV series, novels, comics and who knows... maybe his own stand-alone movie.
     
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    Except, they fired CT first, then they asked Rian Johnson to direct 9 but he declined so they ask JJ. Since RJ declined, JJ was the next logical choice rather than bringing in a new director. I believe JJ stated he really didn't want to direct another SW movie after he did 7. I highly doubt he wanted to Episode 9 at first. I also recall that a lot of SW fans was against CT on doing Episode 9 anyways.
     
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    I did say "on top of". Meaning that wasn't the only reason.
     
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    Maybe they shouldn't have built Snoke up to be this seemingly fleshed out and important character. Sauron is how you do a villain that functions as a plotdevice. Snoke however is too fleshed out for a plot device, given his physical presence in TLJ and the foreshadowing of more to come in TFA but not fleshed out enough to make his death satisfying. As indicated by the poll above roughly 50% of voters (at the time I'm writing this) were not happy about Luke's and Snoke's death. So your fascination with an unhinged Kylo as a replacement for Snoke might not be shared by everyone.
     
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    I think MH just likes to find things to talk about sometimes. I love the guy, but he perhaps needs to check that his inner monologue is set to mute sometimes. The FACT is that RJ wrote his script as TFA was being filmed. Long before CT wrote his story. So there was simply never a CT version going around where Luke was alive. RJ had his story early on. The only thing that might've changed is that after CF's death, Trevorrow wanted to change the story in TLJ but this was rejected. Though I don't even buy this. I think KK simply saw how good RJ was doing and then how CT's films were being received and acted. It might have been more of a personality clash. That's how things work in Hollywood. Big films require the director and producer to be on the same page and be able to work fully together. In the case of SW, KK will win every time.

    And so with MH, he's just an open guy. He had his doubts about Luke and voiced them. He then loved what RJ and voiced that too. He liked what CT was doing and said so. No doubt he'll have an opinion on JJ's IX as well. And it's fun to hear and all but I just think he could rein it in a touch.
     
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    I agree that despite the fact that audiences definitely read into the importance of Snoke too much, they were clearly led there. TFA absolutely teased Snoke to be bigger than he was- which ultimately was the point of him, I guess.
     
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    I don't really understand this argument. Writing scripts is a process that usually involves a lot of change and evolving ideas. I mean just look at the production of the SOLO movie and R1 which both saw tremendous amounts of change even in the late stages of production. As far a I understand there was a time when RJ and CT were both simultaneously writing on their own, unfinished scripts. I see no reason why CT could not have done his own version disregarding RJ's script in hopes of trying to convince the producers to do his story instead of RJ's. They declined, CT argued, he was fired.
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    I don't think it was the inital idea of JJ to use Snoke only as a plot device. He had no idea who or what Snoke was, so he introduced him as a template which would allow future directors to expand upon this setup. RJ had no interest in doing so and took audiences by surprise when Snoke was killed out of the blue. A character turned into a plotdevice due to the different visions of two directors. It was unexpected, fresh and new but unfortunately not satisfying for many SW fans.
     
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    Johnson: I can only speak to my experience . . . I don’t feel like we’ve had to navigate difficult waters in making this movie. From day one I’ve felt nurtured and protected by Kathy and by everybody at Disney. . . . One thing we did do is, from the very start, everybody was on board with the script that we came up with. We all got on the same page at the very beginning about the movie that we were making. I think that led to smooth sailing as we went forward. We had a shared target that we were all aiming for. . . . If the first 10 minutes of your first meeting you’re not honestly agreeing with each other, then you shouldn’t make the movie. With us, luckily, it’s been a good experience.

    How close is this finished movie to the script you first gave Disney?

    Johnson: During the course of making it, obviously you form it, you shape it, stuff falls away, stuff gets added, stuff gets tweaked. But the truth is, it really is the film that, even from the very early days, that I came up with, and that I pitched. That’s what we ended up with.

    Bergman: I’d say the finished film is about 90 percent of the first draft that you wrote 16 months before we started filming.

    Meh.
     
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    Note how this is all from Rians perspective. I can only speak to my experience [...]...it really is the film that, even from the very early days, that I came up with, and that I pitched. [...]

    Disney obviously went with Johnson's ideas but that doesn't mean that CT didn't object to them and that there couldn't have been two contrary ideas at the same time. I'm sure RJ and KK were at an agreement, but without CT's point of view it would be wrong to assume that there was no friction especially since CT never stated why he was let go."Creative differences" are not uncommon when KK is involved, she has burnt through 8 directors in 4 movies for a reason. Hammil's statement of his like/dislike for CT's/RJ's script and CT's twitter post about Jurassic World and how it "respects fandom" do make me wonder if there is another side to this story.
     
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    I think we will never know the true story.
    But that tweet... looks like CT was taking the chance to say something about
    what happened with IX too, from his POV of course.
    And that doesn't mean he was right, whatever his idea was.

    But there was also a quote from Rian that came out a couple of days before CT was fired...
    When he (RJ) said "I just hope I'm not his (CT's) Greedo".

    I mean.. my personal feeling is that there was something in ep. 8, CT wanted to be changed or left open to be explored in
    his movie in a different way.

    And even that it's somehow weird, because he came on board when TLJ script was made.

    Maybe, the point was that Carrie passed and because of that... to re-shape IX he wanted some
    big change in VIII, but related to Luke.
     
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    That's a really interesting quote, thanks for sharing it. But it will probably take a couple of years until the first documentaries a produced, which really show what happened behind the scenes. ATM Disney's philosophy seems to be "production went so smoothely, no problems at all" even when talking about R1 and SOLO.
     
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    RJ had a flop 2. Brothers Bloom.
     
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    I get that people wanted more from Snoke. My point is that I think they will get it just not how they envisioned and maybe that is for the best. TLJ is still just the beginning of this franchise rebooting. There is still so much more to come. Snoke doesn't need to be completely "fleshed out" right now. Layers can be added to his story at a later time. Heck, it took the 6th season of the Clone Wars for them to explain Sifo Dyes' order of the clone army... not as important as Snoke but still a rather important plot point.
     
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    I really hope that we will learn more about Snoke and the Knights of Ren in IX. I think JJ could have a story about this ancient force cult (the Knights of Ren) working together with Ben Solo to infiltrate the FO and turn it into an instrument like Palpatine instrumentalized the Republic. They used Snoke's power and assets to achieve their own goals.
     
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    There's an element of "I want to believe" going on here.
    Hammil's issues with RJ's original pitch are well documented and way overblown. Hammil has also said that TLJ is his 2nd favorite Star Wars film. Also, Hammil's conversations with CT would have been with Luke dead after TLJ. CT already knew the TLJ story. He wasn't pitching some alternate story. That doesn't fit the timeline or even make logical sense.
    This is simply wishful speculation. We know that Disney liked CT's story. We also know that Fisher's death changed the story and CT could never get it work. So he wanted his version 2.0 story to change something in TLJ.

    The idea that he wanted Snoke to live is comical. That would change the entire film. If one is to believe this tabloid article the entire TLJ would have to be re-shot. Leia dies, Snoke lives, and Luke survives... c'mon. :D

    Simply ridiculous.
     
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