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Why did Kylo Ren kill Han Solo?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, May 3, 2018.

  1. McDiarmid

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    Ok good people, we are going to theraters soon to see Solo standalone film,and than await the episode IX. to see destiny of Kylo Ren, his son( his former son, from Kylo Ren's point of view).

    In a month already we will watch a Han Solo , a hero that we now know ended his life by been killed by his own single son.

    While there was a glimpse of reasoning in this patricidal act in episode VII, unfortunately Snoke was killed by Ben Solo in episode VIII and suddenly Han's death is incosequential. It has no any meaning or influence.

    What's was the logic?

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    Falser words have never been spoken.
     
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    Rey asks Ben why he did it and he answered her indirectly, but very clearly:
    he did it because he believed that he needed his father too much and that he couldn't move forward until he eliminated him from the picture.
    but rather than freeing Ben from this need, it's "split him to the bone."

    right now Han continues to drive everything Ben does.
    Luke even says as much at the end of TLJ: "i'll always be with you, just like your father".
    the only way Han's death will be rendered meaningless is if Ben dies in the Dark.
     
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    Han's death was the starting point of Kylo Ren's redemption. Even Han himself knew it, therefore he touched his son's face, not Kylo's face.

    I wish we would have seen more of this in TLJ. I wanted Ren to be haunted by Han like Anakin was haunted by his mother.
     
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    A huge part of Kylo's arc has been his inner conflict.

    We see it continue even through The Last Jedi. I mean, he chose Rey over Snoke- clearly the dude has some unaddressed issues.

    With Han in TFA, I think the dialogue (in hindsight) makes it clear that he views Han's death as a necessary thing to cement his journey toward becoming the monster (Vader) that he wants to be. And we don't have a ton of new canon material yet, but I'd be willing to be Kylo resented Han a bit already, anyway.
     
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    i feel like the moment we see it the most is the moment Rey calls him a monster and he accepts it.
    it's so incredibly subtle, but it's immense.

    i'm honestly not sure if broad-brushing it would have been the better way to go.
    i feel like they are deliberately not making it too obvious/easy with regard to Ben's conflict.
     
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    Also, TLJ features the most amount of mourning in any SW film, to be honest. I mean, sure, Anakin had visions of his mother dying, but after her funeral Shmi is mentioned once, maybe twice, and it's not even about her, but Anakin's visions instead. SW films are too quickly paced to dwell on the dead.
     
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    You are right , I used wrong phrase, Kylo Ben can not actually be redeemd for his patricidal act ever as this is the consequence.
     
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    Kylo killed his father Han Solo because Harrison Ford didn't want to come back and do another SW movie.
     
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    Killing two birds with one stone:
    1) getting rid of Harrison Ford's "moaning" for being part of Star Wars
    2) developing Kylo Ren's character

    Well done, JJ. xD
     
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    I get this and I feel that perhaps they don’t want to address Ben’s remorse in an obvious way, but simply give Driver room to interpret Ren’s feelings and act accordingly. I suppose they also want to keep the suspense and increase the enigma of Kylo’s character evolution. So far, he is all emotion, as volatile as his saber.
     
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    Ford was so happy in those interviews after he shot TFA. He was free of Star Wars. the fans didn't know it. That interview at comic con, I wondered why he was so happy. I like Ford but I felt like it was another slap in the face... I'm back, oh, wait till you see the film...:(

    I never forgot reading an article that Lucas asked Ford, would you be interested in making a Han Solo film? Ford told George he was out of his mind. I mean George made Ford's career, he was working as a carpenter. After Star Wars everyone was knocking at Ford's door... I love Ford but I felt he was a bit ungrateful.

    I love that Ford gave us Han Solo... that scene in the ANH trailer, where he is shooting Stormtroopers in docking bay 94 will always be with me forever... well the Legend will continue in SOLO just a few more weeks...
     
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    filmmakers who understand dramatic tension; it's refreshing.
    it would be so easy to go into the deep end of the pool of woobifying Ren Ben, but they're doing a good job of keeping it to the EU and, as you said, just letting us experience the mess that is Kylo Ren onscreen and allowing us to sort through how we feel about him.
     
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    Because Luke tried to kill him.

    Brilliant.
     
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    I'm not excited for EPIX, but kind of curious how Han or Luke will haunt Kylo. For now, that's all I care for about EPIX. I waited 2 years to find out Rey's parents are nobody.... Loved TLJ but that was ridiculous to say the least. Looking forward to Kylo Ren as the Supreme Leader and his supreme downward spiral...
     
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    he'll never be totally free. I happened to be watching 'Clear And Present Danger' on the TV last night and Harrison Ford's CIA boss was none other than... Darth Vader!
    Presumably he didn't recognise James Earl Jones without Vader's cape and helmet on, because he actually shed a tear when he passed away. If they were still in Star Wars character then Ford would have pulled his blaster out and shot him.
     
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    Han confronted his son like he should have done from the start instead of running back to a life of smuggling. He could have walked away again on Starkiller, like he could have above Yavin all those years ago. He stayed to try and do the right thing, however delayed. That’s not meaningless and never will be no matter what happens to Ben. It was Han's moment too.
     
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    absolutely! he failed Ben, but he was right there in the end for him. that's what matters the most.
    whatever he may have worried about being a bad father, he laid down his life for his son.
     
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    Absolutely. Han didn't die in vain, his death is the starting point for his son's redemption. When directors give me plenty of clues, I believe them.
     
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    ....huh? What do Snoke's death have to do with Han's?
     
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