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Why Did Yoda Let Luke Get So Old Just To Complain About It Later?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Lady Oola, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. Lady Oola

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    Hi everyone! I was thinking back about some of the things that we saw in TESB and compared it to some other stuff that we have seen that's canon and it really doesn't make any sense why Yoda argued that Luke was to old to start training as this was his own fault to begin with. When we watch the movie, Yoda even mentions that he had been watching Luke for a long time. In SW Rebels we got to see that Yoda had no problem reaching out with the Force and making himself known as he did with Ezra. This is one of those little things that bothers me from all the new things we get because while it makes the episode cool, it makes events from the OT seem pointless. If Yoda could do this sort of thing then why didn't he ever even bother to contact Luke in the first place?

    Why did he let him get so old just to argue that he couldn't train him because of his age when all Yoda had to do was tell Obi Wan to take him to Dagobah way before he reached that age? Sure I know Uncle Owen didn't want Kenobi going near Luke but it's just dumb to think that wise Obi Wan wouldn't have been able to take Luke anyway. Also, by the way Luke spoke about Ben Kenobi it was clear that they knew each other so I'm pretty sure they just had to have met a few times and I can bet some of those meetings happened without Owen or Beru being there.

    Luke was free to leave the house and spend time with his friends so Ben could have easily approached him alone if he had wanted to so why let him get so old before he finally told him about his destiny if Kenobi knew Yoda maybe better than anyone else and he was aware of the old gremlins thoughts about training old students? Ben should have thought that if Yoda had argued that Anakin was too old to train then imagine how he would flip when he saw Luke who was twice his age.

    What are your thoughts on this? Do you think that everything new they keep adding takes away from the OT?
     
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    This is one of the main reasons why it bothers me that they continue with so many prequels. I love the PT, but I'm a bit fuzzy with all the desire to continue sticking things in the past that make no sense in the future. If Yoda had that kind of power, why didn't he do more to help? It makes him look like a guy who just gave up and didn't care for the state of the galaxy. Taking characters that we know and giving them these amazing backstories can make certain characters and make them look real awesome while others can seem real stupid.

    Take Boba Fett and Saesee Tiin as examples. Why would I care to see prequel movies about them where they are made into these interesting, all powerful characters only to watch them die in some of the stupidest ways possible? I agree with what other fans have said before, I prefer to see prequels of characters that we hardly know anything about and who's fates we don't know instead of seeing those that we already saw how they died.

    Look at this guy as an example:
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    He was cool as hell in TFA yet Han took him out and that's was it. Why then should they give this character an awesome story and make a super cool movie about him if he died in such a dumb way?
     
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    Wow - GOOD POINT. I hadn't thought about that. The only reason I can think of is it was the "will of the Force". I know, that sounds(errr .... uhmmmm "reads") kinda odd or lame. But what if Yoda had brought attention to Luke at 6 or 8 and Vader took notice and just came and executed him. With the goings on of the DS plans and Vader being so preoccupied with that situation, maybe it was the perfect time to bring Luke into the mix. Especially by having Obi Wan come along with Luke to keep Vader's attention on him(Obi Wan). This got events rolling so Luke could destroy the DS and eventually, begin his training(Vader and the Empire were then mostly focused on the Rebellion).

    I'm not saying this is right and you are wrong - I actually agree with you for the most part. Just throwing this out there as something to consider.
     
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    I don't think he let him get too old. Yoda seems to be really fond of "too old" argument. Remember nine year old Anakin? He was too old for Yoda as well. When you don't want to do something, any argument is a good enough to serve as an excuse.

    I also think that Ezra argument doesn't work in that case. Ezra was Kanan's Padawan and it was primarily Kanan's job to teach him, not Yoda's, so the responsibility of teaching him was on Kanan. Yoda, sure, did help, but never had to personally take care after Ezra. Luke situation was different. He went on Dagobah to find Yoda and to be trained by him. Yoda was very aware of how important it is to teach Luke, but on the other hand, it would have been his first student since the Order 66, since the organization he was a leader was all but erradicated. I'm sure he at least felt a partial responsibility for what happened and taking a new student, especially such an important one was a huge burden - something he might not have been yet ready to handle.

    All in all, I'm sure Yoda would have brought up the "too old" argument regardless of Luke's age - it was a mean to discourage him, not to point out his age.
     
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    Yoda was just old and cranky.
     
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    What I meant about Ezra is that Yoda contacted him and gave him guidance. Had he done the same with Luke, he could have avoided all the crazy loon acting and just gotten to the point of training him. Why wait for the kid to get mauled be a Wampa, almost die and then be moments from an Imperial attack, just to let Kenobi's Force ghost contact him when one simple call in the Force just as he had done with Ezra could have made Luke go to Dagobah way before all of those events happened. A call from Yoda just a few months earlier could have avoided Luke alot of grief when he finally went to Bespin. He would have been better prepared for his encounter with Vader.
     
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    For god's sake, the lil bastard just parked an X-Wing on his front lawn!!!!
     
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    One, Yoda is not that powerful. He would have to deal with the likes of both Palpatine and Anakin, who are just as powerful as he. Two, there's no way he could have raised Luke on Dagobah all on his own. In that environment? Three, if Yoda had tried to take Luke away from the Lars, he would have been in trouble . . . and alerted the Sith of his presence. And by the time Luke finally met Yoda, he was at least 22 years old and the Lars had been dead for three years.

    Why would Yoda contact Ezra, if he was trying to keep a low profile? And just because he had contacted Ezra doesn't mean he was willing to contact the son of a former Jedi who became a Sith Lord. And what makes you think that he had instructed Obi-Wan's ghost to send Luke to him? What if Obi-Wan had instructed Luke to contact Yoda all on his own? If Yoda had instructed Obi-Wan to send for Luke, the burden of error is on the creators of "STAR WARS REBELS", not Lucas and the Prequel Trilogy.
     
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    This reminds me of how Vader told Luke "OB1 has taught you well" after he had killed OB1 in previous movie. Did Vader ever know Yoda was alive?
     
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    I have two theories:

    It's my belief Yoda felt Leia was the true New Hope while Ben placed his bets on Yoda - Hence why Ben needed to sell the idea to Yoda once Luke got to Dagobah.

    The alternate theory I have is that Yoda and Ben were both waiting because the Force told them to wait - that in many ways the Force would will it to be once it was the right time.

    A couple of other thoughts "the too old" argument Yoda uses in TESB seems to be back in the "crazy" Yoda voice - which to me is A: a not really serious argument meant to test Luke and B: meant to scare Luke.
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    I don't think he did. I gather Palp's told him Yoda was dead.
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    But look at why Yoda contacted Ezra. He told him to go to Malacore. Why?

    More and more I gather Yoda had checked out of the entire galaxy. Obi-Wan thrusts Luke onto Yoda and in effect brings Yoda back into the conflict. Sound familiar? Luke exiles himself and a young Jedi thrusts him back into the conflict.
     
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    True. I think it might have been a part of Yoda's test. Yoda was testing Luke's patience in that part of his training. That's why he was so annoying and later refused to train him, to see how he responds. Luke kind of failed that test.
     
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    Just remember, Yoda never intended to train Luke. That was Obi-Wan's task.

    Much like his master, Ben had no qualms with training an older boy. Yoda on the other hand, did not approve of either pupil.
     
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    If Ahsoka is dead, Yoda sent her to her death.
     
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    I really don't think Vader knew at first but in the ROTJ novel, when Vader bought Luke before the Emperor, Sheev did figure out that Yoda had been the one to train Luke and he told him so.
     
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    Yoda doesn't even bring up age until after mentioning at least three other concerns:

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    : [sighs, looks upward] I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience.
    [Reason 1: No patience]
    Obi-Wan Kenobi: [voice emanates from nowhere] He will learn patience.
    Yoda: Much anger in him, like his father. [Reason 2: Too angry]
    Obi-Wan Kenobi: Was I any different when you taught me?
    Yoda: He is not ready!
    [Reason 3: Not ready]
    Luke Skywalker: Yoda? I am ready! I— Ben, I can be a Jedi! Ben tell him I'm rea— [bangs his head on the low ceiling] Ow!
    Yoda: [to Luke] Ready are you? What know you of ready? For 800 years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained! A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one, a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away to the future, the horizon. Never his mind on where he was [pokes Luke]. Hmm? What he was doing. [paces around] Adventure. Heh! Excitement. A Jedi craves not these things. [turns to Luke and points with his walking stick] You are reckless!
    [Not even sure how many reasons are in there, but seemingly several]
    Obi-Wan Kenobi: So was I, if you remember.
    Yoda: [still looking at Luke] He is too old. Yes. Too old to begin the training. [Only now he mentions age]
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    Yoda is simply reluctant to train Luke. He has gotten ripped off by the Emperor twice already (Dooku and Anakin), and he has no desire to help create Darth Vader II. Age is only one of numerous reasons he gives, and in fact it almost seems like he is down to his last excuse at that point.
     
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    I figured that at that point in the story Yoda was a grumpy old man who wasn't in the mood to take on another padawan. Especially a Skywalker, since they tend to bring forth evil that causes the destruction of the galaxy and what not.
     
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    The Jedi helped bring about that destruction. Only Yoda and Obi-Wan were too gutless to admit it.
     
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    Yoda was using reverse psychology on Luke, to get him to buy into the training. I have always seen that scene that way. OB1 was playing good cop.
     
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    Because ... That is How The STORY was Told To us.
     
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    Because weak little younglings can't carry heavy 900 year old Jedi masters around on their backs or clean out Sith Lords from their caves.
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