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Why Did Yoda Let Luke Get So Old Just To Complain About It Later?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Lady Oola, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. yaqngie

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    Would the events have played out the same way had he been trained sooner?

    I get this is a movie and no matter how they wrote it they could make what they wanted to happen, happen.

    But like in real life, had you left work 5 minutes sooner or 5 minutes later would you commute been quicker or longer, would you have avoided that wreck, would you have been in that wreck? That's the approach I try to put on this question and statement I quoted. I try to look at it as in real life and the difference that would have played out had a different decision been made.
     
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    I guess Yoda had alot of faith in him but was disappointed.
     
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    I think Yoda was just testing him really.
     
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    That has become my belief, too. Once you scrutinize the dialogue in ROJ, it's interesting to notice that Yoda merely says that Luke will have to confront Vader (while it's exclusively Obi-Wan who insists that this implies killing Vader).

    I think it's safe to assume that once Luke leaves Dagobah for Bespin, both consider the possibility that Luke will either die or join Vader, yet Yoda refers to Leia as the other "hope", i.e. someone who will make Vader and/or Luke turn but definitely not because of superior fighting skills.

    Thus his reluctance to train Luke has good reasons, should he turn to the Dark Side, Leia will eventually have twice the amount of work to do to persuade both.
     
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    Yoda had no right to simply snatch Luke away from the Lars . . . not without creating a fuss and attracting the Emperor's attention. The Lars even went out of their way to keep Obi-Wan away from Luke as much as possible. Just because both were Jedi, they didn't have the right to commit child kidnapping and get away with it.
     
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    Yep Luke knew a lot about that since Dagobah.
     
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    Unless there is some evidence to support this theory, I find it hard to accept it.
     
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    Before the prequels were made, I assumed Yoda made that remark from a desperate attempt to avoid training Luke. He was clearly arguing with Obi-Wan about Luke's merits, or rather Yoda's belief the boy didn't have any. Only when Luke practically begs for the training ("But I've learned so much"), does Yoda sigh to himself...and the look on his face says it all: "I'm going to regret this." But then, seconds later, Luke insists he's not afraid...and Yoda's ears perk up with renewed interest. At that point, its like he has a new idea: "I can turn this pompous boy's ego against him". And that's exactly what happens in the Dark Cave.
     
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    When does he say that he was watching Luke for a long time? I don't remember that line.

    Judging by the movie, and nothing else, Yoda has no means of getting off of Dagobah. I don't think you can hold the movies accountable for something that is seen in a cartoon, comic book, novel, or even a prequel.
     
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    An inconsistency created by the prequels.
     
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    Exactly. Whenever something that was created after the original create some kind of problem or inconsistency, that is on the latter material, not the original source.
     
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    George Lucas wasn't able to avoid inconsistencies after 16 years of planning the prequels.he couldn't handle his own story.Duh.
     
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    I assumed Yoda was watching Luke through the Force, through meditation or something.
     
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    He might have been, but that is not what the OP said.
     
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    Because George Lucas makes up the story of Star Wars as he shoots it. That is a proven fact.
     
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    I took it as a false front, like pretending to be a hapless goof at first. He was testing Luke to measure what type of person he was.

    The prospect of me saying “no” hadn’t occurred to you, did it? Now that’s on the table. Take this stuff seriously, kid, or you’re out. That’s my take anyhow.

    One of the stories in ‘From a Certain Point of View’ pretty much says this.
     
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    As said before in the thread, I always thought that Yoda was reclutant to train him simply because Skywalker means trouble and because Luke had more chances to fail than to win in the end. He complains about him being to reckless and in search of adventure, like his father before him ;) and that seems the major obstacle to the training in his discourse.

    If we really need to talk about inconcistencies with the prequels there's an obvious one in Obi-Wan saying that Yoda trained him in this same scene.

    Btw, the thing about Rebels is an inconcistence too as the OP said.
     
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    Well, to answer the question of why Yoda never contacted Luke directly, there's one very strong possibility - he didn't want to influence the boy before the appropriate time. Growing up on Tatooine, Luke believed his father was a navigator on a freighter, and knew nothing about the Jedi or the Force. A deleted scene strongly implies he only knew of the Rebellion through his friendship with Biggs, who planned on attending the Imperial Academy and then defecting. So what would happen to Luke's mind and his world, if a short green creature he'd never even heard of, appeared to him in visions with rants about things Luke couldn't even comprehend? Obi-Wan had to simplify the Force, when giving a brief explanation of it to Luke in his hut...and that only happened because Leia programmed R2D2 to seek him out.
     
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    No, you just take the new stuff with a grain of salt. Any plot issues they bring up with the OT is their plot issue and not the OT's.
     
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    Luke was maybe having visions of this meetup. Maybe Yoda did try to connect to young Luke, but the little dope wasn’t ready yet. Just a thought.
     
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