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Why Did Yoda Let Luke Get So Old Just To Complain About It Later?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Lady Oola, Jun 15, 2017.

  1. kuatorises

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    This makes no sense when you consider the OP asked why Yoda would have waited so long if he was able to contact Luke.
     
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    What part doesn't make sense? I'm not sure I agree with the reasoning but the post does make sense as a "possibility".
     
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    Hmmm. May be but... Yoda not influencing people? But the Old Jedi were trained much younger and he didn't seem annoyed.

    On another point, thinking about it I'm not even sure that training Luke was in Yoda's plan. I think he was against it even before seeing how "reckless" Luke was . Obi-Wan on the contrary... ;)
     
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    I thought Yoda was simply concerned with keeping the twins away from Palpatine. I never got the impression that he had harbored plans to train them. Of course, I could be wrong.
     
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    I haven't read all the responses but a few people pointed out my first thoughts as to your question. First, while prequels do create some inconsistencies if the universe's chronology is not taken into consideration and the previous material isn't respected, I don't think this particular issue is one of them.

    We have to remember that per the Prequels and as insinuated by the Original Trilogy (OT), Luke and Leia, as well as Obi-Wan and Yoda, were all supposed to be in hiding and this was successful to the point that Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker could interact with both his son and daughter without becoming aware they were indeed his son and daughter as per the OT. Had Obi-Wan or Yoda began to train Luke or Leia in the Force and explain who they were to them in the process as the Original Trilogy revealed once they got involved with the Jedi/Sith confrontation and discovered more about themselves (as it is indicated training does sometimes take this route in the force regardless of what one is told) then it becomes possible for this information to be stolen through the force by enemies. So considering the danger and the Force you have to take into consideration those two things.

    Obi-Wan's words in the OT also indicate this and that the force led him to believe it was time providentially once Luke came to find him after R2-D2 and 3PO showed up. Thus, I doubt it was so much that Yoda let Luke get too old, it was more so about circumstance than anything else. At the end of Episode III, Yoda and Obi-Wan agreed to go into hiding until the time was right to reveal themselves. That time came for Obi-wan in ANH, but never fully for Yoda as he died on Dagobah, but his purpose was to continue Luke's training.

    As someone else pointed out, Yoda was prone to raising objections to things and often times they were reverse psychological lessons and at other times these objections were designed to point out the potential problems in taking a path. His objections proved true in regard to Anakin. He was full of fear and that fear overcame him as he feared losing Padme. That fear turned him into Vader.

    Still, by the time Luke goes to Yoda to train he had already started training so I think Yoda's statements were more rhetorical than actual. He evidently ended up training Luke to some extent and enough that Luke did not give into Palpatine in ROJ. Thus, Yoda's actions making his verbal contentions irrelevant.
     
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    He says it in TESB: This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was.

    I agree though, you can't hold the movies to the whims of all these writers who have come afterward. The movies always gave me the impression that Yoda didn't intend to play any part in Luke's destiny. He watched, out of curiosity, but he had left Luke's future in the hands of Obi-Wan. Or maybe he had planned to become involved at some point, but due to his gripes with Luke from the above speech, had given up on him as a lost cause until he and Obi-Wan teamed up on him.
     
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    Because if Yoda was watching him the entire time and had the ability to simply scoop him up and teach him than nobody is to blame for Luke being too old to teach; which was his primary complaint about him.
     
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    The question the OP asked was why Yoda let Luke get too old only to gripe about it later. The short answer is blame the later writers because the original stuff didn't give the impression that Yoda COULD have trained Luke any sooner. It gave the impression he didn't even want to train Luke, for whatever reason, even though he'd been keeping an eye on him. Perhaps because he'd been keeping an eye on him. Some people want a canon explanation, or enjoy discussing canon possibilities. Yes, MovieFan2k4's possibility for Yoda's inaction does make Yoda to blame for the OP's question, but I'm not sure who else is to blame. He can make mistakes. We don't even know if we should take his objection to training Luke for being too old at face value or if it was just posturing. Or maybe Yoda thought it better to wait and then later felt he'd waited too long. Who knows? It might not have been the best explanation for Yoda's mistake, I'm not sure there can be a neat canonical answer to this inconsistency given what we know, but it wasn't the nonsensical response you made it out to be.
     
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    There is no inconsistency, that is my point. there's no evidence Yoda had the ability to contact the Luke at will and tell him to come see him. Hell, the fact that Obi-Wan had to tell Luke to go visit Yoda pretty much disproves that theory.
     
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    Well I don't watch Rebels, but as I understand from what others are saying the show has Yoda being able to communicate across the galaxy with people through the Force. Which led to the question the OP asked, and the possible inconsistency (if Yoda could just contact Luke all along why did he let him get so old as he griped?) apparently created by these new writers. There's no evidence in the films, which is why I don't really care what Rebels showed Yoda doing because that show is not in my head canon, but they're talking about possible canon explanation which take Rebels into account.
     
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    No one should take that show seriously.
     
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    Some people think nobody should take Star Wars seriously. Different strokes. But seeing as you registered for a board that is all things Star Wars you might as well get used to some Rebels/Prequels/Holiday Special/Hoojib talk.
     
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    I don't think that's what he means, time for a jedi is measured in key?
    No surely, it's by your dreams, where you are, in the Force, and you can flute for 23 minutes and harp for an hour, and if you overlaid them, you need not take an hour 23 minutes for, it?
    For him, for Yoda, it had been, 900 years, since Luke left,
     
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    IMO Yoda is testing Luke, making him work for it. Yoda had every intention of training Luke.
     
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