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Why didn’t Kylo Ren use Sith lightning?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SegNerd, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. eeprom

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    Awesome
     
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    What brilliant about you post that the image isn’t showing but it doesn't matter as I know exactly what it’s going to be just by your description :D.
    Also if we are doing Ford / Indy montage they could have also used the scene from The Last Crusade with him throwing the passenger out the air ship only with a KOR down that rather convenient hole :p.
     
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    Ha!

    BEN: No TICKET!
    ME: That makes no sense, but I don't care!
     
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    Okay then we also need to work in the Kali-Ma heart removal.
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    Uh oh, we have a thread-jacking in progress. Sorry @SegNerd :oops:
     
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    I would only assume that Sith Lighting is a power you can train to obtain. Ren already had the terrifying appeal, incredible saber skills, and the force. I guess he just didn’t need it or he couldn’t even have that power.
     
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    Story wise, ren didn’t need it because only Rey did to show her connection to Palpatine. Ren can’t do it because Rey inherited it from Palpatine and he isn’t skilled enough. However, starkiller had no important parents and his lightning could vaporize people on impact. So.....
     
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    Good point :)

    starkiller is starkiller. Man, I wish he was canon!
     
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    My headcanon is this:

    What you can and can't do with the force is like what people can and can't do in real life. Some things can be learned, some come naturally and some can't be done.

    I know people who can't whistle or cross their eyes. I know people who have studied an instrument for years and have become expert musicians. I also know people who can listen to a song and sit down and play it who have never taken lessons.

    In my mind three things could have happened with Ren and the lightning (cool band name, maybe):

    He never learned it
    He can't do it, like some people can't whistle
    He chose not to use it for whatever reason

    I chose to believe that it has nothing to do with family relationships or Sith rank or how committed you are to the dark side. And since it hasn't been defined, we can all believe what we want about this. (emperor)
     
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    I agree with your analogy.
     
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    vader couldn't use it because of his mechanical suit.
     
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    Ah yes, good point.
     
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    Sure why not. Seems flimsy considering he could still do other force things but....
    (I'm being sarcastic, any reason is as good as the next)
     
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    i just think that using things like push and pull does not have electricity coursing through his body. If the electricity messes with the electrical components, it will literally kill him (it did in the end), ,
     
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    IDK. It seems like it's coming out of him not manifesting within him. So it'd be differently than being hit with it.
     
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    Is it literally ‘electricity’ though? I always interpreted it as a visual representation of ‘raw power’: Palpatine’s pure hate, made tangible. We call it ‘Force lightning’ because that’s just what it looks like. It isn’t an actual electrical discharge . . . is it? Have I been misreading it all this time?
     
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    I wouldn’t think it is electricity either, but the a power of the force converted into this shock lightning.
     
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    Push and pull require direction, so using a hand is easier, but it does not actually come from the hand, as shown with Vader in EST. However, lightning comes from the palms. Additionally, to achieve full sith mastery, you can’t be as mechanical as Vader. Lumiya knew that her mechanical attachments would prevent her from ever being able to produce force lightning or access higher force abilities, so she took on an apprentice.
     
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    when you see people like palpatine, rey, etc. use it, look how it surrounds their fingers and hands...also yoda could control it
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    i see it as an actual electrical discharge because yoda can also channel it, otherwise it would be as if yoda is controlling palpatine, which he is not
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    and to add to that --- midichlorians. they reside within you, in your cells. Anakin literally started losing his limbs since he was 19ish years old. By the time that he was Vader, he was like almost 50% mechanical, so he had to have lost a lot of his maximum potential. As a result, he could never have achieved his full sith mastery. The force comes from inside of you but it utilizes all of the cells within your body, when you have them. Anakin, at least, in the original TCW, uses his mind to force crush some droids when his robotic hand it messed up. Mechanical palms? Imagine being overloaded with electricity. Granted, he could have electronics that prevent him from a circuit overload, but that is literally limiting his power, physically speaking. These are also reasons as to why I don't think that it could work.
     
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    I just don’t think George Lucas cared much at all about the practical mechanism of the ability. Like spaceships whizzing around like World War II fighter planes. He didn’t give a crap about whether it made any sort of logical sense. He just wanted to see it.

    The main relevance of the ability originally was to show how woefully outmatched Luke was. The defenseless doddering old man routine was a farce. The Emperor never needed a weapon. He WAS a weapon. He wielded the “power of the darkside”. How it exactly works is kind of irrelevant. It’s magic. He could have shot blue fire at the kid instead. Or maybe pew pew laser beams out his eyes or whatever. They happened to go with cartoon lightning. It looked cool. I don’t think there’s much more to it than that.
     
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