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Why didn't Luke turn all white and old and nasty after getting zapped by Sheev?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Voxx, Feb 10, 2015.

  1. S. Crumb

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    Well, the answer quite simply... is that there were very obviously different ideas about the sith and Palpatine when they were filming Jedi. (These are the pre prequel ideas)Palpatine only looked that way because he was extremely old, using the dark side to sustain his life force. Because Sith can only live in the material world, they do not have any life after death like Jedi. That is why they so desperately cling to life, why Palpatine hung onto life for as long as he did. That's why Anakin survived being burned alive.
    It was also very obvious that Palpatine didn't have a Lightsaber, the sith didn't use lightsaber. You even hear Palpitine refer to it as a "Jedi weapon" in disgust, not a sith weapon , a Jedi weapon. That is why he doesn't use his lightsaber to kill Luke , because at that time Sith didn't have Lightsabers, instead they relied on the dark arts of the force like force lightning. The reason Darth Vader has a saber is because he was once a Jedi. He spent his whole life training with that weapon, so Palpatine let him continue to use one but turned Vader's new saber red to signify that while he had a Lightsaber, he was no Jedi.
    And there you go. This whole thing was basically a failure to keep the continuity set up in the original films.
     
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    That's what I was thinking before the prequels came out. AWESOME!!
     
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    Continuity was sorta messed up in the Prequels, but the idea that Sheev hid his true identity makes a lot of sense. And to support the idea that lightning was used for torture, like that on Luke, not as a killing method like the failed attempt on Windu, how about the lightning used against Maul in The Clone Wars? He didn't turn all charred or anything. It is a later instance to support the ROTJ scene, but I think it's valid that there are degrees to Force Lightning.
     
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    But the worse thing about the use lightning in the prequels is not even the continuity issues, it diminishes the scene in RotJ where Palpatine uses it on Luke. With just the original trilogy, the first time you see force lightning is in that scene and it's awesome. With the prequels, the first time you see it is with a CG Christopher Lloyd as Count Dookie (quite a forgettable villain) and it's used quite excessively, diminishing the scene in RotJ.
     
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    i figured when old man SHEEV was blasted he used to force to block it...turning him instantly old....using up all his force bacteria. Luke didn’t bother to block.
     
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    That's still grasping at staws
     
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    I was imagining the same thing
    straws.jpg straws2.jpg straws3.jpg straws4.jpg straws5.jpg
     
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    I'm no prequel fan, but I might have an argument for this..

    There's one difference between the force lightning in ROTS and ROTJ, and that's the fact that Mace Windu is wielding his lightsaber as Palpie electrocutes him.

    The lightsaber might have amplified and reflected the force lightning back to the source it was coming from.
     
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    I guess it's the best defence
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    Palpatine was a master manipulator and leaving his face that way really worked to his advantage. Remember that Palps used the ruse of him being scarred by the Jedi to gain support and pity from the senators so if he would have changed his face as time went by people would quickly forget the whole Jedi incident but leaving the illusion of him being scared would be another way to have everyone fear what the ''evil'' Jedi were capable of if left unchecked.
     
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    When I first saw it I didn't even consider that he was scarred by it. I just thought it was how much of the darkside he was using to kill Windu was ageing him as he was tapping into something completely un-natural.

    But i was also a big fan of the KOTOR games, in those you deform the more you use the dark side, so I just applied that to the film
     
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    Palpatine using his laser swords in TCW vs the brothers Maul was a very nasty scene.
     
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    This is what the DVD/Blu-Ray commentary says, so I believe that you're correct.

    "The strain of all this exertion is what's transforming him into the Emperor" - John Knoll, DVD/Blu-Ray commentary
     
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    What I would like to know is why Dooku's eyes never turned Sithlike.
     
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    Because unlike Sheev, Luke was young, resilient, and hadn't been all "evilized" yet!! ;)
     
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    He was never a real sith imo just a dark Jedi, a cool one, but I never really saw how he was evil per se. He just wanted to in his mind save the galaxy so much he was willing to use the dark side of the force and Sidious' influence to further his goals and kill anyone who gets in his way.

    Misguided and ruthless maybe but I always have a hard time picturing him as a legitimate sith, so yeah, just don't think he was ever evil enough to deform
     
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    But aren't you supposed to be a Sith in order to be able to use the Dark Force lightning? I have read before that this is an advanced Sith technique. Nothing canon in SW ever shows a dark Jedi using it. Neither Ventress, Pong Krell, The Inquisitor or Barriss Offee could use dark force lightning and all were dark Jedi. Even Mother Talsim couldn't use dark force lightning as she used magic and her own green bruja lightning and I really think you can't be any darker than Talzim. Dooku on the other hand used the lightning and it makes no sence for Palpatine to call him his aprentice if he wasn't a Sith lord.
     
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    Dooku didn't draw on the dark side with enough intensity to get Sith eyes.
     
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    How can I believe your words? You are Dark Sidious and you are obviously trying to cover up for your aprentice!!!
     
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    Apart from the fact that it makes us realize how old and senile old Ben and Yoda were when they became force ghosts! The greatest advice that any one of them could have given Luke was: Luke, don't throw away your lightsaber in front of Palps! That old geezer shoots lightning from his hands and the only way you will be able to block it with your level of training is with your lightsaber!
     
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