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Why didn't Rey do this in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by The Last Deadeye, Dec 18, 2017.

  1. Fearghas_Ajax

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    I agree. She isn't a cold blooded murder. Just as Luke wouldn't kill his father, I don't think she would killed Kylo/Ben unless it would immediately save a life in the present. If she preemptively killed him because of what might happen in the future then she would have done just what Luke has considered.
     
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    Yeah good old murder! Let's kill everyone, no problems with that! Excepts it's rather dark side! Which Rey isn't.
     
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    If we look at it, none of our main protagonists have been murders. Obi Wan could have saved the galaxy a whole lot of grief if he had just put his saber through Anakin's head a he laid there burning, but he didn't. He walked away. Luke could have killed Vader and still not joined the Emporer, but he tossed his saber to the side. Rey could have killed Kylo and been done with it all, but its not her and in her character.
     
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    Whoops! Don't ask questions you big meanie!

    Rian just let the story produce itself and this is where it led him, which is just the way things are, so stop thinking.

    PS: Rey could have captured Kylo too if she couldn't kill him. But, shhhhhh! Stop thinking.

    PSS: It's not murder to kill your enemies in battle. Stop thinking now.
     
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    Oh yeah. Because the thing everyone knows about Rey is that she is an absolute merciless killer. She would have absolutely killed Kylo while he was unarmed and unconscious.
     
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    You are correct. However, it has been shown in each of the trilogies, our heroes don't kick a man when he is down. So Rey not doing it is in line with what has been shown before. Doesn't mean she couldn't have, but she didn't.

    It also probably not a good idea to ask a question or start a thread if you don't want to hear other's answers and opinions.
     
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    Because Ren was still probably half dead from the end of TFA.
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    Oh like you mean a crazy old hermit who could have just lopped off the head of an armless and legless Anakin who was ON FIRE and thus saved the galaxy tons of trouble?
    Yeah what the hell Obi-Wan!?!?!

    These "what if" or "why didn't X do Y" things crack me up
     
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    Why would anyone expect Rey would kill an unconscious person?

    She should have maybe confiscated his saber though.
     
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    Women around me always say men grip, complain, and act like they are dying over a cold. :rolleyes:Doesn't surprise me she got up and moving more quickly. :)
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    I mean what was Obi Wan thinking. Anakin was right, it is all Obi Wan's fault. lol

    They crack me up too. It is always easy to be an arm chair quarter back.
     
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    It's 100% true too.
    Part of it's because of societal norms of men constantly having to be "tough" and "emotionless" most of the time so when you get sick the wall breaks and it's just F this, take care of me lol
     
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    Considering that Kylo Ren had attempted to penetrate her mind against her will for information in "The Force Awakens", why wasn't Rey more suspicious of their "Force bond"? One, the two movies are set either a day or less apart. And as a scavenger on Jakku, Rey wasn't that naive. Why wasn't she more suspicious?
     
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    I recently heard about the bolded part; can anyone point me to where RJ mentions this?

    FYI the bolded part is called 'discovery writing' and it's a specific technique best used only in certain circumstances.

    In RJ's case it's likely also BS since TLJ has facepalm-level rudimentary setups/callbacks at key moments in 'the plot'. But it would be useful to read/see what he actually said in order to gauge how clueless he is.
     
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    I think Rey needed to believe in Kylo’s light because she wasn’t having any luck with Luke as a mentor... and I feel that Rey’s experience in Jakku had made her resorceful at a physical and practical level. She appears totally unprepared to deal with intellectual manipulation. She only saw the conflict in Kylo, she did not foresee the evil plans his conflicted mind want to put in practice.

    Rey did not kill or imprison Kylo because the only thing in her mind was to save her friends, and dealing with kylo was something she did not feel capable physically and psychologically to do. It is true she could have taken his saber, I never thought about that one, but I think that at this stage she is still unaware about how sabers work and their craftmaship. She may also think that Kylo’s saber may “infect” her somehow. The traumatic experience she had in TFA when she first touched Luke’s saber could still be playing in her mind.
     
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    It is completely possible she thought that the ship wouldn't survive. Hence she fled thinking to leave him to his fate. Its not like she had intel that Holdo's strike was the only strike or that the ship was only going to suffer one major blow and then stop breaking apart.

    Second lots of folks have pointed out she isn't a murderer.
     
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    because she is that naive. She is desperate to belong and to fit in. Kylo gave her a taste of being a part of something and she couldn't see the forest through the trees.
     
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    A plot hole or a plot device?
    I think that is a significant thing and I wonder why it was just silently stepped over after all that intensity of their interactions leading up to it.
     
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    Exactly.

    No one is unredeemable. If Vader was redeemable, then Kylo is as well.

    It is also a good decision on her part. The light only defends itself when necessary. It never acts in preemption.

    Luke almost did this with Kylo = end result bad
    Luke did this with Vader on Cloud City = end result almost very bad
    Mace Windu attempted this with Sidious = end result very bad

    You "ride the tide." You don't force events.
     
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    Because she was under studio contract not to kill off the baddie from Episode IX.
     
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    I think Rey needed to believe in Kylo’s light because she wasn’t having any luck with Luke as a mentor... and I feel that Rey’s experience in Jakku had made her resorceful at a physical and practical level. She appears totally unprepared to deal with intellectual manipulation. She only saw the conflict in Kylo, she did not foresee the evil plans his conflicted mind want to put in practice.


    That doesn't sound like an excuse for her lack of suspicion regarding the "Force bond"? She already had experience in mental manipulation, thanks to Kylo Ren's attempt to violate her mind in "The Force Awakens" and her own use of the mind trick. Yet, despite this experience, she didn't have suspicions about the "Force bond"? Two days or less after the events of the last movie?
     
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    Rey is merciful,and wise.


     
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