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Why Disney understands the force...and Lucas didn't

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by zazeron, Jan 16, 2018.

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    Whether or not Star Wars is science-fiction is irrelevant to the point I made (and please note I never said Star Wars was science fiction).
     
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    The Skywalkers are the ONLY characters in the saga in which a strong connection to the Force is passed down through family members. The only characters. Anyone with a brain could figure this out. All other Force users in the saga are merely individuals who ARE NOT related to others with similar abilities.

    And after watching the two Sequel Trilogy movies, the idea that Disney has a better grasp of the Force is so laughable to me that I can barely contain myself. I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with me. I doubt very much that any of you do anyway. But I certainly don't believe that Disney is doing better job. Not by a damn long shot.
     
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    Sure. But where the line is drawn on those rules is not objective.

    For instance, we could say we know Luke can jump higher than a normal person by using the force, because we see it on Bespin and the Death Star II. But all of a sudden we hit the prequels with Jedi treating gravity like it's some sort of polite suggestion- is that a problem with the rules of the series? Or is it an expansion of the lore?

    A lot of time, the breaking of these rules is what drives the plot. Rather than being some impossible exception, they can be seen as loopholes that the heroes cleverly or luckily use to their advantage. For example, there was little precedent for readers to expect Gandalf to return in The Two Towers, yet there he was (and the series was better off for his return!)
     
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    to be fair, since the Jedi were essentially barred from having children there was really no room for Force sensitive people to have children. the Jedi would scoop you up as a kid and then, there you were.

    Anakin was the only one to have kids so you are right, only the Skywalkers exhibit the genetic passing down thing.
     
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    Maybe Disney will get so desperate to reverse track of the direction they endorsed in TLJ (because the $$ wasn't there), they'll have Luke pull a Gandalf, with vague "muh force thingamabob" as how he came back.

    He'll be "Luke the slightly grey" instead of white.
     
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    Brilliant! I'm...uh, WE are geniuses!

    He will be returned to us by choirs of singing Jar Jar Binks with a sexy jazz track.
     
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    Agreed. The only thing Disney understands is how to milk a franchise for every last penny.
     
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    I just hope SW doesn't go the way of marvel.

    Like 3 films per year.
     
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    SW doesn't have the character base to do it.
    Marvel can put out 3 movies a year with several groupings of different characters.
    Only crossover is when there is an Avengers event.

    Marvel can do B/C/D list characters in solo films and just remind everyone about "Hey you care about these people because they know the Avengers!"
    SW can't pull groups of B/C/D list character from legends and throw them into a film without: royally messing up continuity or being so far from the characters you do know, the general audience won't care.

    I don't get the Disney hate. Never have. Never will.
    WB is worse than Disney at just about everything.
     
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    Both have a mainline franchise with Johnny Depp...

    Jokes aside, I agree. Business wise and content wise. I just find marvel meh, and I found R1 meh.
     
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    I mean, WB has made one DC film that was over meh in the last 25 years.
    They milked Harry Potter until it was dead and are still working on that.

    I get not liking the Marvel films, that's fine.
    But what Marvel has done (and started before Disney was involved) is revolutionary to the film industry.
    Kevin Feige has basically cemented himself as one of the greatest producers of all time in 10 years.
    Every single studio isn't just looking for franchises. They want "Universes".
    They changed the game
     
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    I don't know how, but I forgot that Disney was involved with Marvel too. They put out a lot of Marvel films per year, but they do have a lot of different characters and stories to work with. I would not want to see any attempt at them making 3 SW films a year. I feel like that would be a disaster, but that's another conversation altogether!
     
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    Maybe we are in "phase one" the "emo Kylo Ren stage" ;one film per year.

    Phase 2 early 2020s, the "Super emo Kylo Ren stage";two films per year.

    Phase 3 late 2020s, the "uber emo Kylo Ren stage";three films per year.

    Phase 4 early 2030s, the "oh my god I can't believe this level of emo Kylo Ren" stage;four films year

    Etc so on and so forth
     
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    Phase 2 is around the time Kylo Ren turns into a Super Sithajin, but it's not until Phase 4 that he becomes a Super Sithajin God Super Sithajin.
     
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    Hux will be his Tsundere love interest by then.
     
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    It's a literary device, how can one possibly insist there must be a specific academic understanding of something that is mythical, fictional and intended as a literary device?

    It is ridiculous to suggest something as literary and fictional as "the force" requires a specific type of understanding, that even the person who invented the piece of fiction, can't understand, but somehow we nerdy, pedantic fans do?

    I love you guys, this forum is great, but this is a silly thread. The force is a concept, as intangible as "mysticism" or "spirituality". There is no dogma. If you think "the force" involves a specific dogmatic adherence and understanding, I think you've missed the entire boat.

    Star Wars is a fairy tale, there is no "right way" to interpret or use the fictional concepts within it.
     
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    LMAO!! I think I'll skip the theatre and wait for home viewing of the Emo Kylo Ren chronicles. :D:p
     
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