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Why is Leia Never Mentioned?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ChrisI, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. ChrisI

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    Just occurred to me that neither Snoke, nor Kylo ever mention Leia or even reference her in any conversations. Han, the Falcon, Rey and Luke all are (in combination of TFA and TLJ)...but no Leia. Why not? She's force-sensitive, she knows who Snoke is and the leader of the Resistance. AND...we know Kylo could have killed her but didn't but his entourage fired on her and I'm assuming he thought she was dead??? Did he sense that she didn't die or could he not because of his anger? Did he know she was on Crait when he was attacking the base or did he just want to kill everyone left and didn't even occur to him that she was there?
     
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    The only logical conclusion i can go with is that Snoke thinks she's weak.
     
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  3. ChrisI

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    OK, I'll play along...weaker than Solo? Or could it be that Snoke felt that if he put the idea of Leia into Kylo's mind, it would turn Kylo even more fragile than Snoke thought.?
     
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    Friend, play along? I meant wut i say. However i mean Snoke THINKS Leia is week.

    But we all know she haves the strength of a Gundark & the heart of a Lioness ;).
     
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    Honestly, there just isn't occasion. Rey, Luke, Han, etc. are all doing their own things. Leia is leading the Resistance and is with her soldiers the whole time. When Snoke/Kylo talk about the Resistance, they're basically talking about her.

    If she had embraced the path of the Jedi, or becoming a more prominent force user in some sense, I'm sure they would have singled her out. But as is, she's synonymous with the Resistance.
     
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    But Snoke is hellbent on killing Skywalker and ending the hope in the galaxy and the Jedi but he has to at least realize that Leia is out there still. Does he not know that there is "another"?
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    Maybe it's his overconfidence that would make him think that but the daughter of Vader and the sister of Skywalker shouldn't be taken lightly.
     
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    That's why I made the caveat of "If Leia had embraced the Jedi way." If Leia had fully embraced the Jedi path, I'm sure Snoke would be hellbent on her destruction, too. As we see in TLJ, he HATES the Jedi.

    But as is, we also see that he hates (and is hellbent on destroying) the Resistance, which given the plot is basically the same as hating/destroying Leia.
     
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    Maybe it's a nuance that I'm nitpicking but I just found it interesting that Leia is never mentioned by name from Snoke to Kylo. I would think that of all the people in Kylo's life, his mother would resonant the most inside him, making Snoke sense her more than anyone else. Hell, TLJ proved that he couldn't kill his own mother.

    I secretly wonder if Snoke was involved with that scene where the TIEs shot at her ship. I mean, would Vader's TIEs have fired on Luke? I'm not even sure they took one shot in the trench on the DS, right? Vader did all the shooting.
     
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    Obviously, Snoke is more into guys.
     
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    Hux talks more about Leia than Snoke does.

    Hux: "Tell your princess that......"
     
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    Episode IX. should have been Leia's episode.

    Its obvious they speared her in ep VIII for her role in ep IX, to shine in its glory and bring trilogy to conclusion.

    I am so sad for Carrie Fisher's dead, its loss of beloved actress and catastrophic loss for the Star Wars.

    If she has got just few more years of life on this Earth, it will be different story.
     
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    I think Snoke realized that if Kylo thought about Leia, it would help guide him to the Light side of the Force. We saw him take his finger off of the trigger to spare her. If Snoke wanted the ultimate test that Kylo had gone to the Dark Side, he'd have made him kill his mother, but Snoke didn't do that. That might have been the task Kylo assigned himself in the last film, which he would have failed.

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    Very well put. I agree. Leia was the key to all of this- and probably Kylo's redemption. I hope they can still pull it off.
     
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    Interesting question. My guess is that narratively Kylo like Luke had to face his father. Luke would not kill him. Kylo did. Its part of the anti-Luke journey they showed him on.
     
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    He's not close to his mom. That doesn't mean he never thinks about her. I mean, obviously he was the moment he was about to fire on the ship Leia was in. But his nature seems to be more about power and rage against everyone. That's where he channels his anger.

    Possibly in IX maybe they would have had scenes, but I guess we'll never know now.
     
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    Oh, I got this one! This is really simple. :D

    Leia wasn't mentioned because back in the OT's ROTJ Lucas never wrote much for her outside of the hammering on her being Luke's sister.
    It's about 2% Leia's my Sister and 98% Luke on a non-stop Father-Son jam.

    In ROTJ She's employed to kick Luke around once she's noted as his sister. She does other stuff, but if you go back and rip anything with her and the 'sister' theme out, she has very little else.

    And since it was all about Luke's sister, Leia, last time, during the 'family crisis' this time it has to be the male caring role; dad, Han.
    So basically if you go back and revisit all of Kylo's 'Han's my Dad' chats, it's variations of reprisals on Luke's 'Leia's my Sister chats'.

    Because this is the movie that's going to have the whole family self-identity crisis that spans over ESB and ROTJ.
    Rey doesn't have any room for a "X is my family-member" because she's inverting the 'face your fears' theme of Luke's 'OMG I'm becoming my Dad!' and Anakin's 'OMG! I lost my Mom!' motifs, so that's delivered as 'OMG! I'm my only family' for Rey; requiring her to place value in only herself and not rely on her value through family revelation (regardless if it's true or not; that's what she had to deal with this film). She's being self-defined by a lack of relation, whereas the other two were defined in opposite directions by their relations.

    That leaves Kylo, because AnaKylo and LuRey are both in this film instead of just one archetype. ;)

    So, since Kylo is the one taking up the "becoming a leading Jedi/Sith" (the top of the hill Luke's climbed up by the end of ROTJ - hero! *choir*) motif in the styling of ROTJ, he gets the "Leia's my sister chat's" reprisal.

    Rey's still back in episode V at the moment and hasn't moved out of Empire Strike Back.

    Basically, if you follow Kylo, he's following Luke's ROTJ path spiced with Anakin's themes, and if you follow Rey, she's following Luke's ESB path spiced with Luke's themes. Not 100% of the time, but quite a bit; that's what's going on.

    So, again, due to that, the inversion of Leia so now Han, and that the first time around outside of all the sister stuff, Leia didn't get all that much plot to work with in ROTJ...that means there's really no lines available to use for characters to talk about her with.

    Ahhhhh, the giant jigsaw puzzle of Star Wars chiasmus. :p

    Cheers!
    Jayson
     
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    Snoke is still very much work in progress. I think we haven't heard the last of him but I am pretty sure his character has not been fleshed out yet. The things that Snoke says in the movies are not written to fit into Snoke's background (which is pretty much nonexistent for the time being) they are written to fit the narrative. Han was important in TFA, therefore he is mentioned by Snoke. On the contrary Leia is pretty unimportant to the overall story of the sequel trilogy which means that neither in TFA nor TLJ it is necessary for Snoke to mention her. Personally I hate the fact that Snoke is a mere plotdevice rather than a fully fleshed out character but that's just the way it is and unfortunately it causes questions like the one in this thread.
     
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    To the best of my knowledge, Snoke mentions her in the TFA novel. So there's that.
     
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    Snoke doesn't have a background. He's a plot device like Palpatine was before there was this big long three movie story that told us how Palpatine got Vader and got to where he was when we see him in the OT.
    They literally have the same amount of back story and character development as each other in their respective films related to TLJ.

    Maybe there will be a Snoke backstory at some point. Maybe there won't.
    His backstory at the moment is entirely not important to the focal point, just as Palpatine in the OT was about as one dimensional as it can get. He's basically a wizard version of Skeletor, but with even less backstory and more disabled.

    Star Wars has never delivered a full rounded cast. There are plenty of very one dimensional characters who serve primarily to supply a symbolic plot point to the moral narrative and that's it.
    Skeleto...I mean, Palpatine and Snoke are basically a Lucifer card and that's pretty much all they need to be for either story's use for them.
    They aren't the focus.

    It would be like reading Job and saying that it was alright, but Satan was a bit lacking in character backstory (keeping in mind that Satan in Job is absolutely nothing like the culturally created Satan from tradition - we know nothing about who the heck Satan is or his place within that book alone - he's just some divine figure betting Job's god that he can corrupt Job).

    So yes, you nailed that on the head! :D

    Cheers,
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    Sorry for being off topic, but...

    ... in this case, she knows much more than the audience, doesn't she? :D
     
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