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Why is TLJ your favourite/least favourite SW movie?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jedi Master Wysk, Apr 26, 2020.

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Opinions on TLJ

  1. Favourite SW movie

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    14.9%
  2. Least favourite SW movie

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    23.4%
  3. Somewhere in the middle

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    61.7%
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    TLJ is my favorite because it challenges every notion one has of this franchise, yet its overall message captures the essence of what Star Wars is - you will rise and you will fall, but as long as there's hope, the light will prevail and good will overcome evil.
     
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    It was a good movie in my eyes that succeeded in going in a new direction and surprised me by making me like canon Luke better than legends Luke. The only problem that I saw was the humor at the beginning, the canto bight sequence, and the holdo maneuver, which I made an explanation for, but it gave me my fair share of grief. 7/10
     
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    Is there an answer for being in the middle of the fans of love it and hate it?

    I think it's a great Standalone film, but I don't think it's not a great Saga film. Do I watch it as The Last Jedi (the movie) or do I watch it as Episode 8 The Last Jedi?

    This is why I need a therapist as a Star Wars fan! LOL
     
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    This pretty much sums it up for me. I also like the mystery/noirish feel, Rey having to figure out what happened between Luke and Ren. The fact that it has 3 threads running but no one got short shrift (okay discounting that Rey and Ren's is the best) and the characters are fleshed out. Cerebral and it makes you think. It's grown up but not in a self important way.

    It's weird because TROS is so intense. But TLJ has so much going on. Probably why I love both films so much.
     
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    As much as TLJ is a re-hash of the OT, especially TESB. It's the reason why I like it. The film is basically re-visiting TESB.
     
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    I don’t mean any offense to people who disagree, but since you asked for my opinion -

    I would say the main reason TLJ isn’t my least favorite movie is because I disliked TFA even more.

    TFA is an unoriginal movie with uninspired characters with a battle that I couldn’t even bring myself to care about.

    TLJ is an unoriginal movie with uninspired characters, but I cared about the battle a little bit. :D
     
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    Middle choice. I have to say I didn't love it but I also didn't hate it either. I wish it hadn't been a Force projection and Luke had really been there. I don't really buy the whole Luke died at peace aspect. If I knew my sister was still fighting evil in the Galaxy even though she escaped this time, I won't be 'OK everything's cool. I can go'
    I didn't mind the grumpy Luke but I think if you decide to teach the force, then you fully commit rather than 3 lessons (especially when you still are blocking the Force yourself) - sorry if this sounds like a rant.
    I did like the new connection with Rey and Kylo because it took the Force communication thing to the next level (something we hadn't seen before).
    One of my issues is that if the First Order has a brand new technology to trace through hyperspace, how did Rose know anything about how it works? I think Finn and Poe should have gone on that mission. It would have strengthen their bond. They seemed to jump from two strangers to the best of friends in such a tiny amount of time.
    Still, I did enjoy the film.
     
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    It's my least favorite personally. To me it made a mess of Rey's character arc which should have continued with what we saw in the beginning of ROS, her training etc... But more importantly, I feel that someone watching the whole saga can skip TLJ, be told that Luke is dead and not lose anything of consequence by going straight into ROS... Its just filler for me personally... Very underwhelming... Which is not something I ever want to say about SW...
     
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    But, She had some trainning in the island. Like Luke in Dagobah. Incomplete the trainning was, like Luke in Dagobah. It rhymes.
     
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    If I knew my sister was still fighting evil in the Galaxy even though she escaped this time, I won't be 'OK everything's cool. I can go'
    But technically this happened in Return of the Jedi through Luke being both stupid and selfish ("you're the only hope for the rebels") through believing that he could save his father from the dark side, even if his father wanted to stay all the way on the dark side or partially there.

    Also, Luke fully expected to die in throne room, hoping that the rebels would destroy the Death Star II from within. He put a lot of bets in ROTJ, imo, from what I know.

    One of my issues is that if the First Order has a brand new technology to trace through hyperspace, how did Rose know anything about how it works?

    Da plot. ;) Also, maybe it's easier to make an assumption about how it works. The film shows Finn and Rose putting their heads together and figuring it out. Yes, it's more of an assumption, but it shows that they figured it out.
     
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    I do know in Rogue One when Jyn was going through he different files on Scariff, there was a file that mentions hyper space tracking, so the empire was clearly researching that technology during Battle of Yavin maybe Rose heard a rumor or something?
     
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    TLJ isn't my favorite SW movie, but that's only because of the existence of The Rise of Skywalker.
     
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    I don't get it. Luke doesn't receive any training in Return of the Jedi, and yet almost became a full-fledged Jedi. (Yoda: No more training do you require.) If we ignore Shadows of the Empire (because perhaps there's some explanation there; I would need to read it), Luke doesn't receive any more training than he does in Empire in Jedi; presumably, he figures it (Force Choking, Force/Jedi Mind Trick) out while on Tatooine. How? I don't know. He tries it and succeeds (at least on one).

    I think it's one thing to show a scene (In Empire) where Luke has nothing else to do but to trust in the Force and reach out and grab the lightsaber. But all he really knows is that the Force can work on weak-minded individuals- how was he supposed to figure that out?

    Honestly Rey had more training than Luke did in Jedi. And she had the sacred Jedi texts.
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    It's my least favorite personally. To me it made a mess of Rey's character arc which should have continued with what we saw in the beginning of ROS, her training etc... But more importantly, I feel that someone watching the whole saga can skip TLJ, be told that Luke is dead and not lose anything of consequence by going straight into ROS... Its just filler for me personally... Very underwhelming... Which is not something I ever want to say about SW...

    The emphasis in TFA was instinct, and Rey (in terms of combat) was shown to be competent in fighting off the thieves trying to take BB-8, revealing that it was likely that she had to fight for herself for some time. Rey could instinctively utilize the Force when using the Millennium Falcon to drive it (besides the VR/training for piloting ships that she encountered) and was taught by Maz Kanata to "let it in" (the Force), a variation of Obi-Wan's "reach out" with the Force in A New Hope.

    Instinct, experimentation, and training are different beasts. Some of what Rey does in TFA is simply "letting it in"(the most basic training) and experimentation, (which the former she was trained with Kanata and use against Kylo), the latter with the Stormtrooper was experimentation with what she already knew about Jedi Mind Tricks or luck (She did convince/scare Kylo into believing that he wasn't as strong as Darth Vader, so maybe she was trying it out in that manner?). And then, finally, there is training, which, as far as I know, is severely misunderstood and inconsistent in Star Wars.

    In ANH, there is basic training by Obi-Wan about how to use the Force and some lightsaber training (which doesn't require the Force but is a part of becoming a Jedi Knight). Also, he teaches Luke about Jedi Mind Tricks, but doesn't show how to do the tricks themselves. In TESB, there is Yoda teaching Luke about different principles, a lot of which is an extension of Obi-Wan's philosophy about the Force. He lifts rocks, jumps, (and does lightsaber training, though this is deleted content and only really shown in the novelization and comic books). In ROTJ, Luke learns everything about the Force on his own (Force choking; Jedi Mind Trick) without the need for Yoda's training.

    So, Rey is already combat-savvy in TFA, with only needing to know how a lightsaber works (which is supposed to be like a Claymore, actually, in the original few Star Wars films). She tests out the lightsaber in TLJ and learns to reach out with her feelings and feel the whole island on Ach-to.

    I guess Rey lifting rocks was too much, although she "reaches out" by doing it, so maybe it's plausible. (In Empire, it was still implied to take an effort, since it exhausted Yoda, and this wasn't shown with Rey, even though she was only clearing the rocks and not lifting and then parking a whole X-Wing on land, which might be even heavier than all of the rocks). Also, she did "let in" the Force again during her fight against the Pretorian guards, as she did against her battle with Kylo. In Kylo's case, "letting in" the Force shifted towards the dark side, like Luke falling to the dark side in the throne room.
     
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    TROS and ROST and AOTC and TPM and ROTJ and TESB and ANH.....
     
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    The Last Jedi is legitimately the second-best Star Wars movie ever made, with The Rise of Skywalker being the best Star Wars movie ever made
     
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    This movie sucked a banthas hairy ass.
     
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    I’ll put TLJ as probably my top, At least of the ST films.

    personally, it was the philosophy and lessons that it had that set it apart from the others. I used to do roleplay on swtor as a Sith, and philosphical situations ended up a bit more of my favorite thing over big action.

    TROS and TFA are fun, but they don’t quite scratch that itch for me.

    if I had to rank..TLJ, ESB, RotJ, RotS, TROS, ANH, TPM, TFA, AotC. Notably, I don’t really hate any of them, but of the ones I tend to look forward to the most of watch. (This is also when I haven’t seen them all for idk how long, so I’m due for a rewatch anyway. We’ll see how that list holds up).
     
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    For me it's my least favourite (apart from caravan of courage and the holiday special) as it too often feels like im watching a parody of Star Wars rather than an actual Star Wars film. Starting with the ya mum joke, then the Luke 'Benny Hill' style lightsabre toss, I felt like I was watching special comedy outtakes done for a laugh for promotional material to be aired on a late-night talk show rather than the actual film.

    And then every storyline needed a subversion or twist I felt lt just took me out of the film most of the time the plots just seemed to be there to set up the subversion, and it just prevents me getting swept away into a galaxy far away. And don't get me started on Hux, for me easily outstrips Jar Jar as the most annoying character in a star wars film, it was like he was acting in a spoof film.

    It's also hammered home to me how little time Lucasfilm had spent in planning the trilogy, going from full-on mystery box dialled up to 11, to there is no mystery with the end of the film clearly not having any idea of where it went next. I just think maybe considering people had waited 30+ years to see this trilogy they could have spent a bit more time coming up with a story they wanted to tell and that they didn't and this film really made that clear just makes me sad.

    Its the only time I have walked out of a Star Wars movie feeling sad and not excited to see it again, me and my mate sat in the pub afterwards trying to find reasons to like it but just failed. I normally am so forgiving of the flaws in Star Wars, even when issues with a film are their I love the world so much I can while acknowledging issues they have never ruined my enjoyment of a film. I just can't do that with this film, it just makes me sad and angry however many time i try to rewatch it and see what others love in it.
     
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    I do have a few issues with the film, too many. But with that being said.. it IS the most creatively ballsy Star Wars film since Empire Strikes Back.

    If only Luke and Kylo had a REAL duel, and not a dissatisfying fake one. I don't understand why he couldn't actually go to Reverse Hoth at the end, and just do some crazy force power to destroy all the AT-ATs and send Kylo running. If only the production, editing and music could have been done to a better standard. George Lucas should have co-written with Johnson it and changed a few things.. I also think Johnson was given way too much to do at once. The editing was the main thing that really suffered.
     
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    You've missed the point here, and the most important message:

    Luke defeated Kylo without violence.

    Also, if Luke had gone to Crait and faced Kylo and the First Order and beated them all by himself it had showed us a unrealistic Luke, a forced super jedi.

    I loved how RJ came up with this fresh idea.
     
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