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Why Luke Left

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by BespinMinersUnion1138, Jan 14, 2016.

  1. BespinMinersUnion1138

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    I'm surprised no one has speculated a very real possibility why Luke left. Fear, anger, guilt, suffering. Luke felt all of these things when his Jedi academy was wiped out.

    I do think its a very real possibility Luke felt the lure of the Dark Side following the tragedy along with the guilt of failing his nephew. In that instance the very best thing for him to do would be to walk away, search for the first Jedi Temple to get answers and perspective. His two mentors both did the same thing. They walked away and waited. Rather than attempt to defeat the Dark Side with anger, malice, hatred and vengeance.

    The Dark Side is the quick and easy path. The Light Side is the patient path that accepts tragedy in life and understands that relinquishing control is the only way to gain enlightenment.

    Thus Luke was not a coward nor was he portrayed as a coward. In fact NO ONE in the movie looks at him as if he was a coward. Only fan boys who already decided in their mind Luke was going to be more Mace Windu than Yoda.
     
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    To save the galaxy from Skywalker malice. Skywalkers clearly are a threat. Good move Luke. Good move.
     
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    Lulz no.

    Either way, Luke's arc was lazily reset or ignored.

    He already conquered the temptation of the dark side.

    His mentors hid because there was no one to help.

    Luke had his friends, the republic, the resistance, etc.

    You can try to reason it and insult people, but as far as TFA is concerned Luke is a coward.

    We didn't want mace windu. We wanted Luke.

    An older, wiser, changed Luke? Sure.

    But not coward Luke.
     
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    Luke is contemplating his mistakes under a rigorous ascetic regime. No sex, no meat, green food, lots of books and lots of thinking. He is atoning for something I'm sure.
     
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    It's hard to say if Luke was tempted by the Dark Side again ("once you start down the path to the dark side, forever will it dominate your destiny").

    I saw it a little differently. When you're young you feel like you can take on any challenge. But as you grow older life has a way of beating you down. Sometimes it's death by a thousand cuts, other times it's a tragic event that has a crippling affect on your will to live.

    IF Luke's students were all massacred, IF his wife was killed (if he had one) and IF he thought his only child died there also, I could see him turning in on himself and going into seclusion. It's not lazy story-telling is just life.

    Of course, I could just be projecting my own thoughts on life into this hypothesis. I guess we'll have to wait for Episode VIII for the answer.
     
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    I think he left becuase he knew it wasn't safe to train any more Jedi while Snoke existed, so went looking for the first jedi temple because be believed it it had information on how to defeat Snoke, and he has been there trying to understand infomation or master it ever since
     
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    (epic fail)
     
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    Excerpt Luke pulled back from the dark like Ret did because Skywalkers can do that but what does that say about Rey hmmm ;)
     
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    You guys are forgetting that Luke had the power to easily kill Ren or Snoke. He's powerful as the only Jedi left. For him to walk away means he faced the choice of having to kill his nephew and turning to the Dark Side or walking away and letting the go of the control over the situation. He had to have felt the pull of the Dark Side. Once you feel it, it never goes away. Just because he overcame his father doesn't mean he'd never turn. It simply means he redeemed his father. I could easily see Luke's failure with his Jedi Academy redeemed by the only student left: Rey.
     
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    Interesting idea, although I don't think it's reall

    Maybe he wants to understand how the Jedi have been around for so long with the Dark Side's constant influence?

    Ben? Yes.
    Snoke? Maybe.
    We don't really know enough about Snoke to say for certain.
    Snoke predates the Galactic Empire; he witnessed it's rise and it's fall.
    Snoke has been seducing Ben since before he even started training with Luke, and Luke has been powerless to intervene.
    Snoke fears that Luke's return will bring about the rise of the new Jedi, but he doesn't seem particularly afraid of Luke himself.

    I don't necessarily think killing Ben or Snoke would turn Luke to the Dark Side...
    But you do raise an important point.
    All these people expecting Luke to try and stop Ben from killing more people, clearly don't understand Luke at all.
    It would be entirely against Luke's character for him to kill Ben.
    Luke is the man who ignored both Obi-Wan and Yoda when they told him that his father was lost; he refused to believe that his father was lost.
    Luke sees Ben in the same way he saw his father; as someone to be redeemed.
    No matter how bad things get, Luke will never give up on Ben.
    Problem is, Luke doesn't know how to save Ben.



    Did he, really?
    The Republic were hardly supportive of Leia. Why would they support Luke?
    Did the Resistance even exist when Luke disappeared?
    How supportive were his friends when they were feeling grief over having lost their son?

    I love how all these people watched the movie and are now experts on what has been happening to Luke, when even the characters in the movie don't know.
     
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    I think this is an important question because I think here is a great deal more to what happened when the other students were slaughtered than the bits and pieces that TFA doled out. I don't think it was as simple as Ren getting into a teen angst snit that led to him murdering a bunch of people. In fact, I'm not convinced Ren did kill Luke's students -- although he may be responsible or he turned to the dark side to get revenge on whomever did kill those students. I'm hoping the filmmakers have something more complex and interesting than the obvious.

    And so I have to believe that Luke is searching for answers, not just given up like Han Solo implied. The guy who didn't give up on Vader wouldn't give up on his nephew.
     
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    I think that Luke left because "someone" that LOVE and CARE about him tell him to do it.Snoke and Kylo want to kill him because he is the last jedi.This is why they want to find him.I also believe that Luke did not want to kill Kylo because is Leia and Han Solo son.That is ONE BIG problem for Luke.Let see how this will end...:).
     
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    This is a good point. Snoke seems ok with Luke to just staying where he is. Or rather, just doesn't want the Resistance to find him. It's kind of curious.
     
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    I agree with you. It's what a Kung fu monk would do. But I do think he got trapped on Ach-To and he's been gone longer than he wanted to be.
     
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    Like someone said before, he wouldn't give up on his nephew so easily. He was ready to forgive Vader, a grown ass man, for everything. Let alone someone who was seduced by the dark side as kid.

    Thing is, his bond with Ben/Kylo isn't strong enough to bring him back to the light. Vader was Luke's father. That's why Luke managed to redeem him. It takes a strong connection to overpower the dark side.

    As the last Jedi, Luke was the only option and the last hope to train whoever had this strong connection to Kylo. So he needed to hide from the First Order. If something happened to him, then Kylo was indeed hopeless, because whoever could save him would remain untrained.

    Rey is that person. She can bring Kylo to the light. Why? I think they're siblings. That's why Luke's saber was calling to her. She was destined to track Luke down, find him and start her training.

    Just a theory.

    Something that keeps coming back to me is that Leia just knew that part of the map was with Max Sydow's character. She sent Poe to retrieve it, but how exactly did she know he had it?
     
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    Well said!!! And just like Han said "Luke couldn't reach him, how can I?" I don't think Luke can reach him but maybe someone closer to his age can.
     
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    its against lukes character to not do what he can to prevent the deaths of millions, regardless of who's behind the sword. to say luke wouldnt kill Ben regardless of his atrocities is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. seriously, just a really stupid thing to say. you imply that because he showed insane compassion for his father, Luke, blinded by his closeness to the situation would allow Ben's actions to continue because Luke doesnt know how to handle the angry guy? or simply because Vader was once redeemed? not only have you demonstrated that your lack of understanding in regards to the character of Luke Skywalker is immense, but you diminiish his character by pretending his compassion blinds him to the point of denial. if you truly believe this is why Luke isnt after the little monster then the Sequel Trilogy is in an even worse place than id imagined. luckily, i find it hard to believe the story group is that out of touch. Luke's compassion is his greatest strength, not his greatest weakness. yikes.
     
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    Did you ever see Luke embark on a quest to kill the Emperor?
    Did you ever see him embark on a quest to kill Vader?

    The answer to both is no. Despite the billions who have suffered and died as a result of their actions, it was never something that Luke actively sought to deal with.

    Clearly, you have created own idealised version of Luke in your own mind which is quite different to the Luke from the Original trilogy.
     
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    yikes. i elaborated in my post via edit. youre right, IM the delusional one. forgive me.
     
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    I think Luke felt it was the Will Of The Force.

    His attempt to recreate the Jedi order, to pass on what he has learned, failed.

    He went searching for the first Jedi temple to further his own education. He was left without a mentor right as he was beginning to really understand the Force, at least he thought he was, and that went off the rails...
     
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