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SPECULATION Why Snoke has become most important character

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Klai Kenobi, Mar 31, 2017.

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    "Snoke should be dead. He's clearly using the Dark Side to stay alive"

    I have little knowledge of the "legends" canon. But after watching Rebels and TFA and reading so many new canon books, it seems clear to me that the NCC("New Canon Caretakers" as I call them) are sending a very loud, clear message .... "in the GFFA, Anything is Possible"

    It does appear that Snoke is using some power/device/method beyond that of normal beings to keep himself alive. The Force is a good possibility, but it is one of infinite possibilities in the GFFA from what I see.
     
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    I know I started this thread with theories aside and with intentions not to be biased, ....buuuuut, after seeing some posts and having some thought I would be disappointed if Snoke weren't Plaguies... I don't think TFA is a bad film, but it's definitely a bit of a reboot.. Assuming they will be killing off all our classic heroes it would be tough for me to still see the sequels as the same Saga we started with..Snoke just being some random new Disney villain (and we all know how well they've done villains so far in Marvel which is POOR), would make the sequels begin to feel generic af! (IMO)

    They already have a handful of generic characters and planets that have the same nostalgia, but are obvious copies of the OT characters. I like the new characters so far, but it's time to begin connecting a bit with what's come before besides our OT characters (looking rather pathetic) and dying off. :(

    Snoke aside, Plaguies intrigues me and has ever since that haunting scene where Palpatine brings up his old master he obviously slain..It was not only good incite on a bit of Sith history, but also Palpatine's character and how much of a snake he is. So, Palptine was good at manipulation.. He was also a coward in many ways. Hiding and using others..'killing' his master while he slept.. Trying to run from Yoda.. So my point is do we really thing Plaguies 'The Wise' (WISE was his actual title), a Sith Master that had studied and pursued immortality his entire life was truly tricked by his cowardly apprentice and did not see this 'fate' coming?? This would give Sith in general a very bad name with 1. Palpatine talking so highly of someone that got murdered in his sleep. and 2. Plaguies 'The Wise' really not seeing this coming from an apprentice he should know everything about. I know Palpatine is the ultimate trickster, but he said it himself that Plaquies 'Taught him everything he knew'..

    So back to Snoke... What is a more horrifying villain then one who has literally tricked his apprentice into doing his dirty work? An apprentice (Palpatine) who we watched trick an entire galaxy and rising to being the ultimate power??
     
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    Here's some fun food for thought.
    While watching River Monsters with Jeremy Wade, he was looking for a fish off the South African coast.
    It is a shiny fish. Very long, can reach 200 cm (79 in). But also very thin and narrow. (Sound like anyone we know?)
    It is also the only known fish of it's genus. One of a kind...if you will.

    Why is this silly fish a deal?

    It's called a Snoek.

    That's right. He's a space fish.
     
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    How? As far as I can tell/remember from the movie we never see him use an device to breath, we don't see him struggle for breath or struggle or move. We don't see him concentrate as if using the force etc.... He seems/appears to be someone who is just fine.
     
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    And according to Pablo Hidalglo Snoke is indeed alive:
     
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    I wasn't suggesting he was dead, I was questioning the idea that it appears he is using something (force or tech) to keep himself alive
     
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    What do you guys think of this new Snoke theory? The basic idea is that Snoke was the ancient rogue Jedi that broke away from the Jedi Order and founded the Sith. It fits all of the available evidence about who Snoke is, and helps explain why Luke goes searching for the First Jedi Temple and wants the Jedi to end.

    Link to the Full Theory: http://starwarsanalysis.com/who-is-snoke/#more-393
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    Oh I gotcha. I actually agree with that completely. In TFA novelization it even says he was "reconstructed." Your idea about Snoke keeping himself alive actually fits with the theory I just posted about
     
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    I'm not suggested he is keeping himself alive. I'm suggesting he is just alive.....no technology helping, no force help. He is just a living being.

    The problem with your theory is that Snoke isn't a Sith.
     
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    I think he might be an old fallen Jedi. He doesn't need to be the first darksider ever or 1st sith.

    Snoke isn't just a a force user. He is also the Supreme Leader. So some aspect of his character has to be explained as why the neo-imps have him as the big cheese. There are also rumors that he has lavish furnishings and a gold robe. So there might something else here.
     
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    the issue with him being a fallen Jedi is Kylo's Lightsaber.
     
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    Since Kylo's lightsaber is an ancient design, wouldn't that support the idea of Snoke being a fallen or rogue Jedi from thousands of years ago?
     
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    I hope Snoke isn't the 1st Sith. Hearing that always reminds me of that terrible Blade Trilogy movie with the 1st Vampire as the villain. CHHEEEEEESE! The first two were great, but that last one was so so bad.. I don't like the idea of Star Wars fallowing in those generic footsteps
     
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    The fact that he didn't know how to build it and it looks like a piece of crap hammered together in a garage would support the idea that Snooke doesn't know howt o build one.
     
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    It is a little cheesy, but it would be a straightforward way to explain how Snoke is connected to the origins of the force, which is strongly hinted at in Empire's End: “The Emperor was convinced that something waited for him out there – some origin of the Force, some dark presence formed of malevolent substance.”

    The theory that Snoke was the ancient rogue Jedi that founded the Sith would also explain how he is so powerful, why he is so damaged (his sith apprentices turned on him), and why he appreciates the dark and light sides of the force (he was once a Jedi).
     
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    That last paragraph REALLY struck me. The puppetmaster(Plagueis) pulling the strings of the puppetmaster(Sidious) - WOW! My only issue with that is .... Why the name change? He is leading the Acolytes and the KOR, who are not Sith. But they idolize and worship the Sith. Wouldn't the name Darth Plagueis resonate with them exponentially more than Supreme Leader Snoke? I can't think of any reason for him to change his name. That doesn't mean a reason couldn't exist - just that I can't think of one. And this whole line of thinking reinforces my belief that Snoke MIGHT be Yupe Tashu. "Supreme Leader Snoke" > "Yupe Tashu" IMO.
     
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    That is definitely possible. If you're right, then that might suggest that Snoke is all smoke and mirrors and not really that powerful at all. Another possibility, though, is that Snoke wanted Kylo to build the lightsaber on his own without doing it for him. Clearly, Snoke has not taught Kylo everything he knows, as at the end of TFA he says he needs to complete Kylo's training. Also, it does seem like the lightsaber functioned well, even if it did look like crap. It's not really an in-universe explanation, but the unstable lightsaber was also probably used by JJ and company to represent Kylo's unstable personality.

    Furthermore, if the theory that Snoke was the first Sith and was betrayed by his apprentices is true, then Snoke may avoid teaching Kylo everything he knows to avoid another betrayal.
     
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    Agree, except I also agree with the other guy that his wounds really do appear to be mortal ones.
     
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    Not really. Hes got a wound on his head, and the most look like burn or decay.
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    Or he is powerful with the force but neither Jedi or Sith (we know he isn't a Sith) so he doesn't know how to make their weapons.

    I'm not talkign about th eblade but the hilt - its just not well put together.
     
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    I'd be fine with it if it carried a little depth instead of just a Sith that had risen conveniently after the fall of the Empire.. If he is the ultimate dark power he'd had taken over a long time ago. haha
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    That's an easy one. When Snoke was Sith his name became Darth Plaguies. Just like Palpatine became Darth Sidious, Anakin became Vader, etc.. Now that Snoke is no longer Sith (for good reason) He goes by his given name or new name.
     
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    I actually think that if Snoke were smart, then he'd wait until the fall of the Empire to make his move. According to my theory, Snoke's goal is to become the only significant force-wielder in the galaxy. He wants to destroy both the Jedi and the Sith so he can rule alone. If this was his goal, then he certainly wouldn't want to make his move during the time of the Republic, as there were thousands of Jedi and two Sith. In other words, he had a lot of competition. Additionally, he wouldn't want to make his move during the time of the Empire either, as there were two Sith and at least two Jedi (Obi-Wan and Yoda). After the collapse of the Empire, his only real competition is Luke, as well as any Jedi he might train. So, by waiting until the fall of the Empire, Snoke had the fewest amount of adversaries to deal with. A smart tactician lets their enemies kill each other, while they save their strength in the shadows.

    Also, I think my theory that Snoke was a rogue Jedi that started the Sith would give him depth and add to the story in two main ways. First, it would allow Star Wars to explore the ancient history of the Jedi, Sith, and force, which would be quite interesting. Second, it would mean that Snoke has major insecurities because he was betrayed by members of the same order (the Sith Order) that he created. This would create an interesting dynamic between Snoke and Kylo.
     
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