Why the Amount of Vader's Screentime Was a Mistake

THEN YOU ARE LOST!!!

 

There were a lot of Prequel references, including Coruscant.

 

Honestly though, the Emperor had no place in this film. I mean seriously, he did't truly make his entrance to the franchise until ROTJ.. albeit a very small appearance in TESB. This was all about his subordinates... the struggle for authority between Tarkin and Krennic specifically. Seriously, read Catalyst.. it's an outstanding preface to the film. And I thought any more Vader than we received would have been overkill. The context of the plot was played out so well, it didn't NEED Vader until those ferocious minutes at the very end.

Read Catalyst and then give it another go. And then watch ANH right after! It's frickin' seamless

 

This is always a sign of someone inviting well debated topics with logic and reason.

 

You start off on the wrong foot. No one is convincing themselves of anything. I know it is tempting to assume people who do not feel the same way you do are in denial, delusional, lying to themselves or whatever else but that simply is not the case.

And if no one can convince you otherwise then why the heck post it in the first place?

 

Vader in his prime?

Have you seen A New Hope?

He could barely get around. He reminded me of my grandpa. Maybe because he was a quadriplegic in a suit? Those Royal Guards were there to help the poor guy use the bathroom.

Honestly, after he tore up the corridor of the Rebel ship I would have liked to have seen him winded and wheezing like in Return of the Jedi.

He walks around the Tantive IV barking at people, and chokes Antilles. Then he tries (and fails) to interrogate Leia without realizing it's his daughter. Then he basically stands around Tarkin for an hour, briefly choking Motti. Then he has a stick fight with another old man that reminds me of two old men at Golden Corral having a cane fight over the last piece of pot roast. Then he flies around in his starfighter killing background characters, doesn't sense his son in front of him, and gets snuck up on by a freighter.

Darth Vader's prime was 20 minutes of Revenge of the Sith, sadly. Between the Mace Windu and Obi-Wan scenes.

 

Man.. lazy writing? If anything I thought they nailed the script this time. But that's ok. And I hear where you're coming from.. it's set in a time and place when Master and Apprentice are near the top of their dominance of the galaxy. And wouldn't it be great to see them throwing down the gauntlet. But that was up to Vader and his lackey's. If anything, the Emperor was a very patient man, and he was also the puppet master... a politician! He never wanted to be in the forefront until absolutely necessary. It wasn't until some snot nosed kid named Luke brought him out of hyperspace that he became truly engaged in the struggle vs the Rebels.

 

Vader in his prime: read the novel "Lords of the Sith", takes place after Episode III.
In that book Darth Vader is capable of ejecting from his fighter in outer space and land in another ship. He also runs a lot and uses his lightsaber fiercely at anyone who stands in his way.
It's great to read it and imagine it, and I'm thankful that we got to see him doing that at the end of Rogue One. That's the way Vader is portrayed in the book: a killer.
In the other movies, we only saw a fraction of what he can really do when he uses his full power.
The ending of Rogue One shows us a Vader we have never seen before in film, not even in ROTS.

 

Pretty much my only complaint about the film is that they under used Vader. Really could have done with a couple more scenes. The bacta tank scene flashed by a little too quickly as well for my taste, you couldn't see anything!

I suppose it's good that the only thing I can moan about is one character not being in it quite as much as I'd have liked

 

I think that might be partially what the op is getting at...this Vader was shown in his "prime" cutting down rebels but doesnt really do much else in the OT...the most they got was his fighting style in ESB and ROTJ and wasnt done justice
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I think that was the idead. Not show him too much in the bacta tank. Most of fans dont want to see again Hayden's face.

I liked how the scene was made.

 

Yeah but the end with him was almost out of the blue .

 

I strongly disagree. This movie was already crammed with characters, they didnt need pull in the Emperor as well.
Also, they used Vader perfectly imo. 2 scenes, both of which were meant to show something new about the character, and not to please the manchlidren dressed as Vader in the theaters... They respected the character and didnt overuse it just to please the fans.

Lazy writing... Seriously, if you dont like it call it bad writing, but lazy?! Every single cast and crew member worked their asses off to give you the best movie you can get.
If you dont like it, well that sucks. But dont disrespect the hard working creators with you keyboard warrior mentality please.

 

Yes, and that fact makes the "ANH takes off where R1 ended" seamless transition not so ... seamless.

So was he holding back his powers all the time?

 

1. Clickbait titling at its finest.
2. Pitching your opinion as fact
3. "Nobody can convince me otherwise."

 

yeah im glad we got a new one. It wasnt the greatest thing in my opinion but it was still good for what it's worth.

 

Exactly.
Yes, I freaking loved the ending of R1. It's actually one of my most favorite scenes in Star Wars.
In another thread I said the events of R1 pretty much match the opening of ANH but there is one big problem: Vader slaughtering rebels left and right like a ruthless killing machine.
That moment is awesome, that's for sure but it doesn't add up to the Vader we see in the beginning moments of ANH. At first he is killing rebels but minutes later he doesn't kill any rebel with his lightsaber. Why does he stop with his reign? He knows the plans are on this ship and the R1 Vader could easily slaughter everyone on the Tantive IV. But instead he lets his stormtrooper do the work. He even sacrifices them.

Okay, maybe he was exhausted after the rebel killing.

Nonetheless I'm really glad we saw Vader this way. But in the end it's just a movie.