Why "The Force Awakens" is terrible and why you are terrible if you disagree

Yep.

 

Welcome to the Cantina!

I'm sorry you didn't like the movie. I thought it was amazing. Lots of your points make no sense to me at all, but hey. To each his own.

 

LOL!

 

Ya think? lol

Btw, I love the inflammatory nature of the thread title.

Liked.

 

I agree with a lot of things that you wrote, but there are a lot of other positive things on the movie too.

 

Emperor Abrams, welcome back!

 

1) The casting was fine, the Star Wars universe hosts many races and species, suprised no one has complained about a Human being cast to play a Mon Calamari (Akbar)
2) Nothing was misleading, in the opening titles you are told he is missing, you actually watch the entire movie and follow them putting the pieces together to find him, whats misleading?
3) Solo died trying to bring his son home, his son turning to the darkside tore their family apart, Leia asked him "Bring our son home". Han was no spring chicken he was getting on, not too many years left (well of smuggling at least) this was his chance to have his family back and live out his years happier. He died for the love of Ben and his Leia. More heroic to alot of people than say, going out in a blaze of glory aboard the Falcon.
4) People like to take several similarities with previous films and conclude its recycled, Death Star 2 in ROTJ? The film has alot more originality going for it.
5) Look, everyone went into Episode VII knowing fully well there was going to be an Episode VII and IX. Same for Episode V, this is common knowledge you seem to be ignoring to try get some skewed point across

6) And? We didn't know what happened to it? Is there ground beneath cloud city? Did Vader collect it? Its shown in this film that Saber has force connections to it (When Rey touches it).
7) This is called "Adding to the story" first you complain that its unoriginal then you say this new stuff doesn't make sense?
8) Its explained fully, this is why I don't think you paid much attention to the film.
9) Not sure, maybe it didn't work, maybe Finn and Rey heard them and thought they were civilians and didn't want to murder them? Would you prefer Han AND Chewie just choked to death and died in only one scene? I think not as you complained (misunderstood) Hans death scene and also complained about Lukes appearance being short.
10) Lukes monologue was taken mostly from ROTJ we didn't expect it to be in the film. Snoke does say "There has been an awakening, have you felt it" but you know even some scenes from the trailers were not included, this is what happens when they edit films, shoot retakes etcs
11) Rey isn't a Jedi, thats why she went to Luke to train as one. Rey doesn't understand and seems very shocked at whats happening to her. The way I read it, the force is guiding here very aggresively, JJ is trying to put some of the Magic back into "The Force" you know its awakening etc.
12) We don't know Kylo's level of training, Snoke even says "Bring him to me to complete his training" but we know Kylo is conflicted and is drawn to the light, this might well of been the first time he has encountered a "Light side user" and it threw him off. Plus the fact he has just taken a big laser blast to the leg and was clearly injured. Finn was trained in Melee combat as a Trooper.
13) Can't remember specifically what triggered him, but I think something did.
14) There is one in there, I don't know if it was viewable in the final cut.

99% Of the fanbase and public enjoyed this movie, where you are entitled to your opinion, most will disagree. you may want to re watch it to understand some more things about the film

 

Well that thread and username definitely isn't an attempt for clickbait...

 

You lost me at

 

You know, I don't envy Abrams or Lucas. There's just no winning for either of them. If there are references to older events or characters, then the movie is "unoriginal" or a "reboot", but if they don't use any of the references, then it "doesn't feel like Star Wars". If there's humor, its " flippant", but if there's no humor it's taking itself too seriously. If they use Luke or Han, its just a nostalgia trip, if they don't, people complain that it's supposed to be a story about the Skywalkers. And please don't get me started on the whole Rey/Finn "PC" for the same of it crap. As far as I'm concerned, Rey isn't a "Disney princess" or a political pawn, she's a strong, intelligent new character who happens to be a woman. And Finn is a man who is trapped in circumstances that don't agree with his own personal sense of morality. These two sold it, plain and simple. They had chemistry, they held their own against the original cast, and they made me genuinely care about their characters. I'm as personally and emotionally invested in these movies as anyone, but I'm just so confused as to what some of the naysayers want. What exactly would make a great Star Wars movie to you? I can understand how people may not have enjoyed the prequels (though I thought they were overall pretty good), but TFA looked and felt like Star Wars from the very start. Of course there are unanswered questions and unexplained events, its the first part of a 3-act movie. Was the plot groundbreakingly original? No, but neither was A New Hope's. The fact is, this was a fast paced, well made movie with fantastic acting, organic humor, and a healthy dose of questions to be answered as the saga continues. I really think some people need to lighten up a little bit and allow themselves to open themselves up to the magic that is all over this film--try to watch it not as a critic, or with grandiose expectations, but with the eyes of the 6 year old kid that most of us were when we saw these movies for the first time. Believe me, that magic is there. And to anyone who acrually got to the end of this post, sorry for the rant, i've been thinking about this movie all day long and maybe I got a little carried away, lol.

 

No, YOU'RE terrible.

 

Ehh bugger off

 

95% Positive Critic rating
93% Moviegoer rating
AFI Top 10 movie of the year

1. Why is it a problem that minorities and women were cast? Please explain why you think this was a bad thing and that not casting white males constitutes "political correctness."

2. So is the problem that he was in it for a short scene or that it was misleading how long he was in it? If your problem is that he was in it for a too short a time, the main plot of the movie is a race between opposing forces to locate him after he vanished. The story is being composed with 2 more movies in mind. There is plenty of time for him to contribute in the next 2. Secondly, in a film that exists to introduce a cast of new characters and the final adventure of one classic character, throwing in another major character only crowds out the new ones and takes away from all that is necessary in setting them up for the trilogy and Han Solo's tragic end. If the misleading aspect is what you have a problem with, well, that's standard secretive filmmaking to preserve surprises. nothing new.

3. Everybody's gotta go sometime. Tragedy is a staple of good storytelling. It can't all be sunshine and happy endings.

4. The movie is primarily about good guys racing against bad guys to find Luke. Not about Starkiller. That is secondary. And if you have a problem with another planet killing weapon - see Cold War history, in which the U.S. and the Soviets sought power by bigger and more devastating nukes. The planet killing weapon is the Star Wars version of nuclear weapons. They hold the key to global (galactic) power, and power seeking regimes will keep going back to them, even if the earlier attempts were destroyed. Germany lost World War I in devastating fashion, but they rebuilt everything and came back 20 years later with another attempt to dominate the world. Failed military endeavors do not eradicate wars - they just keep happening in ways that echo the previous attempts.

5. Please. No exploitation happening here. It was a thoroughly entertaining ride from start to finish. And if you have a problem with a movie leaving unanswered questions, you must really dislike The Empire Strikes Back.

6. It was lost on Cloud City, but does that make it impossible to be recovered? No. It did not fall into the same vacuum tube with Luke. At no point do you see it fall with him. You see a piece of a weather vane fall when Luke falls out of the bottom of the city. That is not the saber.

7. And? The force can't connect itself with objects? And everything needs to be explained in one movie? I don't think so.

8. Yes it was. They were running that cargo ship that tractor-beamed the Falcon aboard. It was explained how Han was transporting the rathars, among other things. Did you miss that part?

9. The poisonous gas was never released. Han found Rey and Finn before they could release it.

10. Luke's trailer dialogue was from Jedi. Not intended to be in this movie. Snoke's voiceover was obvious. Rey was beginning to reawaken the light side as Kylo was reawakening the dark side. Both will go into training in the next film.

11. How do you know certain aspects of the force aren't instinctual in strong force-sensitive people? How do you know Rey hasn't figured some things out for herself or has learned about them from any other source?

12. They beat a wounded, bleeding semi-trained dark side user. He is not a Sith. His training was not complete.

13. So what? For all we know, Luke could've instructed/programmed R2 to not respond until the time was right and the missing map piece was recovered.

14. Boba Fett, providing he did escape the Sarlaac, has no place in this story and has no reason to be there other than pointless fan service. He does not need to be shoved into yet another Star Wars movie for no reason other than popularity. He is likely an old man by this timeframe anyway.

The only reason you could've thought this movie was terrible is because you had your own unreasonable expectations for it, that you can't see bigger picture and need everything answered now rather than in the next parts of the 3-part story, and if you refuse to consider simple explanations that make perfect sense in the long run of the trilogy.

 

RE: Point 13, R2-D2 clearly activates as a result of Rey's immediate presence.

A lot of the points here seem to be made with limited knowledge of the actual film, as if the writer is working off nothing but a plot outline or else was so determined to hate the movie that he/she wasn't paying very close attention. But brilliant clickbait title nonetheless...I salute you!

 

I really don't care if there were no unanswered questions, I didn't watch the movie expecting things to go how I wanted, I was fully aware that this was Rey, Finn and Poe's movie and that the OT characters were mearly a bonus and I am not one to hate a movie just because a main character dies. That being said, I think TFA was just a regular good sci fi movie but not a wonderful SW one. What makes a great SW movie for me? A movie that takes me to that very same world that I saw as a child and gives me characters who feel real and who you can sympathize with to a point that you feel for them. I felt this in the PT as well yet I felt nothing like that in TFA. The magic was just not there and I am a hardcore SW fan who loves all 6 past SW movies with all my heart. To use references from other movies is one thing that I can dig but to copy/paste almost everything in the movie? What about the feel and the sights? When you enter the cantina in ANH, look at the way that Lucas let you take in his world.

Look at the time it takes for the story to go on and compare it to what happened in Maz Kanatas castle in TFA. Before Luke even says a single word, we are treated to a fantastic alien world. Lucas gives us time to take all of this wonder in before moving the story on at a nice pace. Can we say that happened in TFA? Everything happens at lightspeed and we are just rushed from one scene to the next to a point that even the greatly important things like Hans death and how the characters dealt with it felt rushed and baddly done. Regarding the look of things that make the movie feel star warsy, I saw the movie two times in a row one time after the other and having seen that there was a big worm alien at Maz's castle, I was determined to see him on my next view of the movie. Even knowing where the worm was going to be and on the scene he was, I barely cought a glimpse of him as everything moves too fast. The same thing happened on Jakku as you could hardly take in any of that worlds denizens and all of the movie was like that as well.

Now let's talk about the characters. People try to defend Kylo Ren's blunders by saying that he was still untrained but then why do you give him powers that could even shame Vader on one scene and then just make him a lackey novice in the next? Dude! Kylo Ren froze a frickin laser blast in mid air! And not only that but he had to use no concentration to keep it there as he continued to interogate and even slay a guy with his lightsaber and then give out orders before he finally released said laser. Kylo being an untrained dude could get more information out of someone than Vader could being a fully trained Sith Lord and Kylo could even fully paralize you if he cought you unaware! This is power man! This is a real bad monster here and not someone who an untrained non force sensitive toilet cleaning Stormtrooper could fight against.

Then there is Finn. A guy who was taken from his family at such a young age that he couldn't even remember his original name and that is if he even had one. He was trained from childhood in an extremly strict order yet Finn was a guy who joked around and was afraid to fight. He freaked when his fellow trooper died, he totally froze in combat when he was sent to kill innocent villagers yet he joins the good guys and has no qualms killing his former friends to the point that he even stabbed one with a lightsaber as if that were nothing. Where is the realism in all of that? Can we compare this to Luke who was always the very same character?

Finally we have the bunch of convenient things that happen in the movie, the Falcon was conviniently there fully functional and unguarded for our heros, Han misteriously apears at the right place at the right time to save them just to go to the exact place where Luke's lightsaber was hidden, a single Stormtrooper wearing riot gear was just right there to battle Finn cause he had a lightsaber, Han knew exactly how to bypass Starkillers shields using lightspeed and R2D2 wakes up at just the right time with the rest of the starmap inside him. I could go on with tons more things but I'll leave it here.

 

Okay. Good one. So what's your plan, OP? I trust you got some other franchise to move on to. Or are you going to enjoy yourself being miserable for the next twelve months?

 

It's not a problem that women and minorities were cast. It's a problem they were cast because they were women and minorities.

The latter is what JJ and Kennedy did and they were quite open about it.

There were many instances over the past couple of years where they both made remarks bragging about "girl power" and "people of color."

This is what political correctness is. Making race and gender quotas. It's ugly and shouldn't have any place in Star Wars or frankly, anywhere else.

 

Except for the very specific point, that concept art backs up. That Finn was cast without race in mind...

 

@DFF Clearly. That's not the first thing people should have in mind when casting a movie and I doubt many will argue in favor of casting certain actors only to meet a quota or be politically correct or "progressive". Making it your number one priority to play up to current societal trends would compromise a work's integrity.

I'd say a female protagonist in 1977 Star Wars would have been rather unlikely, so it sure does look like it's a sign of the times that we have one now. Yet: it 's not like the protagonist being a girl or Finn being black had any negative impact on the film. Yes, Finn could technically be of any ethnicity and it wouldn't really change the movie, but when it comes to Rey I sure feel it adds to it. Even if Rey isn't family, I think we can agree that being sought out by your (or someone's) daughter has a slightly different emotional weight to it than if it was a male. That aspect is definitely going to play into how the story develops from here.