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Why was Kylo Ren feeling the pull to the light?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by GotTheSilver, Jun 4, 2017.

  1. GotTheSilver

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    I was thinking about this the other day. What triggered Kylo to feel the pull to the light when he did?

    Before we get to the scene where Kylo is chatting dear old Granddad, he and Snoke both felt "an awakening" in the force. This may have had to do with Rey. Rey's relation (or lack thereof) to Kylo is still unknown, but I do believe that Kylo knew about Rey on Jakku. In the scene where the Imperial guy tells Kylo that BB-8 had help from a girl, Kylo's voice changes significantly when he urgently asks "What girl?" Personally, I think Kylo knows Rey and knew she was on Jakku. Being near Jakku when Rey has her "awakening" could have triggered Kylo to feel the pull to the light because he cares for Rey. Or maybe just the proximity to someone who was strong in the Force and was inherently good impacted him.

    There is also the fact that Han Solo was nearby, too. Perhaps Kylo sensed Han and had feelings for dear old Dad. Maybe it was a combination of all of these things.

    Why do you think Kylo was feeling the pull to the light at the particular time that he was?
     
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    I think the pull to the light side was triggered by Snoke's mention of Han Solo moments before. Snoke pretty much ordered Kylo to kill his own father, but Kylo didn't want to do it. At least that's what I'm thinking.
    He was conflicted between Snoke's order and the attachment to his father. Snoke is the pull to the dark side <=> Han Solo (family) is the pull to the light side.
     
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    I guess it was his parents belief him to return despite all he had done.
     
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    Maybe it all has to do with all the things we don't know about him. We have no idea what sort of event triggered Ben's fall to the Dark Side so maybe that's where the conflict is. Anakin had alot of nasty things happen to him since he was a kid and we can understand why he did many of the rotten things he did but Ben is not the same and he knows it. He had family and friends who loved him and he didn't go through the sucky life that Anakin did. Deep down I think Ben knows that and that's why he is desperate to cling to a reason to justify why he should be evil.
     
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    Agreed with Merman and putting the line further : Ben is not a true bad guy, he has been sent to Snoke as a spy, to infiltrate the nascent First Order and prevent it to grow. Ben is not a true dark side user. He does all of this against his heart. He couldn't eliminate Rey, and it was so difficult to eliminate his father - even if that sacrifice was needed, both to ensure Snoke of his loyalty, and further to save the entire galaxy.
    The pull to the light is a weakness in its role. He knows it and asks his grandpa to help him stay dark.
     
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    Kylo was one of my favourite parts of TFA. He's a villain with tangible motivations and conflicts, he's a brat and it shows. I think the potential to create an interesting and dynamic villain over the course of this new trilogy has been given some very strong foundations. Don't screw the ewok on this one, Johnson!

    I always thought it was just because he loves his parents. Han and Leia went their separate ways after Kylo went to the Dark Side, so it gives me the impression he was part of a loving family. It isn't easy to severe those ties... unless you gank them in the chest, Vhlor move, Ben!
     
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    Even Vader felt the pull at times, and would eventually succumb to it. From my current understanding, it's why his lenses change color from RO to later in the series. Neither Vader nor Ben sought out the dark side, it appears to have sought them.
     
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    Because there's still good in him. Leia knows it. Luke probably knows it, as he knew it about Vader.

    Kylo probably has even more good than Vader, because he's actively *struggling*.
     
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    Well, he said "I feel it again", so it's probably something he struggles with on a regular basis, more or less intensely depending on the circumstances. Snoke chose him because he's equally light and dark, strong with the force as a whole, so it's probably in his nature to struggle with either the light or the dark side if he attempts to succumb to one of them and ignore the other. My guess is Snoke is steering him towards the dark side only to fuel the conflict and keep him weak, easier to control. The conflict (under Luke) is probably how he got to him in the first place. It's pretty disturbing, Snoke is fully aware that Kylo Ren could never be a true darksider but he keeps putting him through trials like there's a prize for him in the end. But it's also funny, because not only is Snoke too arrogant (like all true villains) and underestimates Kylo Ren, but he takes it a step further and actually completes his training. That's like sharpening the knife that will kill you. It's a beautiful thing.
     
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    The scenes are pretty clear that the awakening happened in Kylo Ren.

    There has been an awakening, have you felt it ? Yes.

    The call to the light, supreme Leader senses it ...

    Rey is Kylo Ren's awakening.
     
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    From reading the TFA novel, we learn that Snoke is manipulating Ben even in the womb. Ben is nont naturally pulled to the dark - that is Snoke's doing. So I expect he will continue to be conflicted through Episode IX.
     
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    I think that Kylo is feeling pangs of conscience. He is simply couching his guilt in dark side words.
     
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    There comes a time in every little force users life where things begin to grow and change.
     
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    This is really interesting I had no idea Snoke was already manipulating Ben in the womb. Perhaps Snoke is out for revenge against the Skywalker's and this action could be a hint to who Snoke really is.

    Going back to the reasons Kylo feels the call to the light. He is relatively young and his training is incomplete. Perhaps the reunion of Han and Leia sparked the call. Notice how Kylo's eyes are not coloured like Anakin's eyes in ROTS when Anakin fully accepts the dark side and becomes Vader.
     
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    Because he is the ideal embodiment of the Force?
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    Although I'm sure it has more so to do with his parents, his anxiety and hesitation on the things he is forced to do, and some connection through the Force with Rey...I really like the idea of it being Anakin, the real Anakin, trying to reach out to him and bring him back into the light.
     
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    I watched TFA again last weekend. Kylo's conversation with "Grandfather" takes place shortly after Snoke tells him that Han Solo has BB-8. I think this has a lot to do with it. Kylo has not seen his father in a long time. Knowing Han is near makes him start thinking of his father (and probably mother, and possibly Rey) again. This is probably what triggers him feeling the pull to the light when he does. It also ties in well with what Kylo says to Han on the bridge, "I know what I have to do, but I don't know if I have the strength to do it." He knows he needs to kill Han if he is to continue following Snoke, but he still loves his dad and does not want to do it.
     
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    this. if we're talking about this particular moment of struggle, yes: it's triggered by the mention of his father and Ren Ben's yearning to heal that wound in him.
     
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    Key word: "believes" I don't think he is the true embodiment like Snoke does but he felt the call to the light because he's human and not properly trained Jus like his grandfather
     
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    I think the "pull" to the light is his own conscience. He knew joining the darkside and killing people was wrong. He almost turned, then he saw the sun fade out, and he was reminded of the power of the darkside, and killed Han.
     
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