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Why was Kylo Ren feeling the pull to the light?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by GotTheSilver, Jun 4, 2017.

  1. Greywalker

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    Ummm...que? Are you saying that only humans feel the pull to the light? And also where do you take from that he is not properly trained? Luke trained him?
     
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    His training wasn't complete. What I meant was that he's "only human" so he acts like a normal person instead of the prequel era jedi, devoid of their emotions. Luke was training him
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    Thnx for clarifications.

    I think he is not like the rest of the Jedi the same way Luke isnt or like his grandfather wasnt. I think this duality is something 'Skywalkers' speciffic.
    Luke wasnt completely light in RotJ, IMO (you can see a sort off vanity in his behaviour on occasions) similar how Vader wasnt completely dark (his redemption didnt just came all of a sudden in the end of OT, you can basically sense his compassion for Luke since ESB).
    And Kylo is the Last Skywalker. Being pulled to both cuz he channels both. People can exist in both states simultaneously, you know. Do bad but be good as well.

    The rest (in the movies), when they choose a side of the Force they stick with it. No remorse and no regrets.
     
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    Maybe because of Han's unwavering faith in him to return.
     
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    Hmmm....i would say leia had an unwavering faith in his return. Han? Han is full of doubts when he approaches him on that bridge. But i guess i see your point. He wouldnt reach out to him unless he believed in his light :)
     
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    Amidst the darkness springs light.

    When he landed on Jakku Kylo Ren reached his darkest mark and that dive in the dark springed the awakening.
     
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    The light side has always been with Kylo, it may be the stronger side. He is trying to be dark and this is the struggle he has been trying to over come. I think the mention of his father brings up his memory of his family and that is what represents the light inside of him. It's possible that his family is what makes the pull to the light so strong, and the reason he can't embrace the dark side all the way. When he killed Han, you could almost see on his face regret and confusion, it will be interesting to see what effects this will have on him.
     
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    Lor Sekka's words may have got through to him.
     
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    Ahhh yes "the first order rose from the dark side, you did not". "But you cannot deny the truth, that is your family". Now did Ren kill Lor San Tekka because this stung him with bringing up his family and it's the light side that pulls at him, or was he shutting him up before he said by name his family in front of his storm troopers? I think the first part, and that caused the rage inside him to leash out like he would later show on computer terminals and torture chairs.
     
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    After watching the scene many times I'd say the 3rd one, hesitating to act against defiance in front of his troops could be shown as a sign of weakness.
     
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    Hmmm interesting, I like this. You got to know that before Ren's ship landed he knew Lor would never give him the map, so being useless to him alive or dead meant nothing to Ren. When Lor showed defiance he quickly acted and put him down, then ordered the execution of the rest of the village. Yeah I could see this as a valid option, I could just add a little rage in this and be happy ha ha. Great post.
     
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    Thanks again.
     
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