Why Would Palp Kill Plagueis BEFORE Learning The Secret?

So you do mean Anakin.

 

Yes if you consider Anakin = Vader.
I personnaly consider Anakin is not Vader, like Siddarta is not the same person as Buddah, like Actarus is not the same person as Prince of Euphor.

 

I humbly respect your opinion. However 2 me AS/DV r 2 sides of the same coin.

 

The thing about Palpatine is that he's severely arrogant and overconfident in his endures. Luke said it himself during the confrontation on Death Star II. As well as often overlooked is the lightsaber fight with Yoda in the senate chamber, he automatically assumes Yoda is dead and not until the Clone Troopers tell him otherwise does he make a small effort to find him. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for him to think he killed Darth Plagueis but, really didn't. But, that's something we'll have to wait and see on as rather or not we believe Pablo Hidalgo in Snoke not being Plagueis or if Plagueis could return in another medium. For the time being Plagueis is dead. It doesn't mean this can't change.

As well as according to Dave Filoni, Palpatine is searching for immorality.

" Having the Inquisitor hang on, after such a failure, having captured this Jedi and let him go - It’s really a problem for the Inquisitor because he knows that Vader and the Emperor will not suffer this failure. He knows what they could do to him is, to him, worse than death. That’s a critical difference between an inquisitor and a full fledged Sith. A Sith sees death as an absolute. They’ll do anything they can to avoid it because there’s nothing for them after death and they know this. That’s why the Emperor is so obsessed with trying to prolong his life, to find immortality - because if he dies, he loses all his power. He can’t see a way to be part of the eternal existence of things and just selflessly be a part of it like Obi-Wan can and like Yoda can. They’re opposites. An Inquisitor though, he says, there are some things far more frightening than death, which is an interesting thing for him that I’ll let people puzzle over what it means. It’s not accidental, the way he perishes."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03...-big-return-and-where-season-2-will-go?page=2

He didn't achieve his goals of immorality but he was certainly looking for answers, and it would appear that someone could have at least cheated death as Palpatine himself stated in Revenge of the Sith, " To cheat death is the power only one has achieved but, if we work together, I know we can discover the secret."

 

I think all these could work, good job !!! My thoughts is even if he knew the secret he would not have led on to it and helped save Vader's wife. He needed her out the way so Vader could become the Sith he needed him to be. After Vader's injuries he had the perfect subject to mold without fear he could over throw him. With Vader's wife dead (he may have helped in that) he knew the hate, pain, and anger would fuel Vader's dark powers to become as powerful as he could be but just not powerful enough to kill him. With this he would have time to try and figure out how to save himself from death and be in power forever.

 

Oh yeah he liked the unnatural vision of living as emperor of the galaxy forever.

 

Why do so many fans want to believe that Palpatine may have killed Padme . . . or that he had used some kind of Sith "spell" to prevent the Jedi from being aware of his role as a Sith Lord? Is it easier to blame the mistakes of the protagonists on a direct external force like the Sith, instead of considering that the protagonists had committed mistakes and crimes, based upon their own personal shortcomings?

 

He killed her because he led anakin on that she could be saved so anakin didnt focus on how he could literally save her from her twins and focused on the dark side so no one could really save her in the end since Palpatine lied to anakin about saving her
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I think that Palps learned all from his old Master. Knew everything. Perhaps even had hands in Anakin's conceiving (figuratively lolz)
I think he knew but did not want to share it with Anakin. It was essential, this, making Ani feel like the solution is there but out of his grasp, in order to make him desperate enough. And put him in the state of mind where his self loathing would become so great that he would permanently cross over to Darkness. Because it's what manipulators do. Give you hope...then crush you...

And the greatest trick of the devil is to make you bargain your everything (soul) for nothing.

But...turning over someone to the Dark Side is not how the devil wins. Its keeping them there what does the trick. And what, IMO kept Vader in darkness was his guilt. And inability to forgive himself for the sh*t he has done. To Padme, to Jedi and to himself.
Until he met his son. Who believed in him regardless of his past crimes. Who loved his father more than himself and was willing to sacrifice himself for his father's salvation. Luke SHOWED Vader what compassion really is. The ability to love the other more than oneself. And showed him the light again with leading by example.

 

Because there was no "secret." Palpie wanted Anakin on his side and played with his fear of loss.

 

Dunno...something about the way he says
It's ironic that he could save others from death, but not himself.
Plus the part where he said that he taught his apprentice all he knew suggests that Plagueis did KNOW save others from death....look at Palpie saying that....he doesnt lie there. Only the realization that he should know better and never repeat the mistake of his master....becoming indispensable.

 

Sounds like a scam on Palpatine's part.

Anakin is mainly to blame for accepting Palpatine's words that the latter could save Padme and attacking her. And it was Padme herself who had succumbed to her own despair, allowing it to affect her health at a dangerous time. To dump most of the blame on Palpatine doesn't seem logical to me.

 

He saw Anakin as a temporary stand in until someone without a loss to come along.

 

This assume Palps was telling Anakin the truth and not just what he knew he wanted to hear. Maybe there never was a secret.

 

It was a lie from Palpatine to make Anakin join him.

 

Does anyone know if Lucas ever commented on this?

 

Sorry for the delayed response but yes, that is what I meant. I think you can read into this during other parts of the movies as well like when Luke is trying to convince Vader to run away and Vader responds "You don't understand the power of the dark side. I MUST obey my master." Again I think the implication there is "I MUST obey my master or I will die." The power of the dark side that I believe Vader is referencing there is the power to keep others from dying.... a power that was specifically highlighted in a parallel moment of the saga (during the Plagueis conversation in ROTS) as one belonging to the dark side

 

@singlern05 , you actually score one point.

 

Haha... I'll take it! Thanks.