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Will ahsoka tano die?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by theborgv, Jun 29, 2015.

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    I actually really don't want to see Leia be a Jedi in TFA. It was fun in the books, but the reality of it I think could be quite underwhelming
     
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    Agreed actually, as far as the films go, I think its a bit to late for that. I would love to see her show some signs of her force sensitivity though.
     
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    Absolutely. Something akin to when Luke reached out to her on Bespin. That is one of my favorite moments in all of the films, it's an excellent crescendo to the end of that movie and I'd love to see something like that again.
     
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    @Dbbuilder79, interesting idea! I feel like @Admiral Petty does in that it would be a retcon, but it could work. It would throw the people who only see the movies off though. Also, the comics have been showing Leia's first baby steps in the way of the Force (mostly just feelings and images, but it's still there!), so I doubt it was Ahsoka.

    She'd feel saddened by their deaths, but not that she's the last Jedi. She might have tried to help Jedi, but even if she heard rumors of reform I doubt she'd go back.

    Her problem was with the Jedi themselves - how could she trust them and their order when they didn't trust her?

    I agree that she was a better Jedi than most (Obi-Wan didn't agree with her sentencing, but he never spoke during those episodes for some reason so...) but that has nothing to do with lightsaber use. She kept/remade her lightsabers because that's what she's trained to use. It would be largely impractical to throw away your main weapon that you've been trained to use basically since birth when you're first learning to survive on your own just because other groups use the same thing. Just because a samurai becomes a ronin (a swordsman without a master) doesn't mean he's not going to use a sword. @Amanaman already pointed out Asajj Ventress and various groups of Force Users. Look at Pre Vizla; he was a regular human Mandalorian and he used a lightsaber (it was a special type of lightsaber, but still).

    Calling her an exile and Kanan an outcast does work to a degree, but exile implies that Ahsoka was kicked out of the Order (which she was, I'll give you that, but then let back in and offered a promotion to Knight) rather than choosing to leave herself. Kanan as an outcast works but that connotes that he was some sort of rebel rather than a kid who's world collapsed all around him and is trying to pick up where he left off. If someone called her a Jedi in rebels, depending on who it is, she could just say "no," or "not anymore."
     
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    The more I think about it, the more I guess that Ahsoka wont die in Rebels. Maybe she'll lead the Rogue One squadron and die while stealing the Death Star's plan.

    Ahsoka is not Kanaan, she's very strong with the Force and her inner agility could let her escape Vader easily and even match him.

    If she dies it will be by Palpatine's hand in a similar scene like we had in Rotj like I said before. But Vader won't kill her.
     
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    That doesn't make any sense to me. Yes she'd feel sad, but Ahsoka is a woman of action not some pacifist. The apprentice of Darth Vader would be hunted and she would definitely know this, not just because she was his apprentice but because she IS A JEDI whether she wants to admit it or not. She really had no choice but to continue the Jedi way and fight the Empire. Walking away from the Order at the last minute means nothing to the Empire because she's a serious threat to them and she would be well aware of this. The only protection she has against the Empire is trusting her Jedi training and continue to become a stronger force user.

    I think you're right, her problem was with the members of the Jedi Order and not the Jedi beliefs. After all, it's her Jedi training that saves her in the end. But I also think it was much deeper than that. The Jedi's devotion to their own creed blinded them to the point where they couldn't see Ahsoka's true motivations, so I think she questioned a lot about the Jedi way after that.

    That's not a good enough analogy for me. Back during the feudal age of Japan there were more regular citizens wielding swords than Samurai, so it's completely different for a lightsaber. Pre Visla is the only in-canon example who uses a lightsaber-esque weapon and isn't a Jedi or dark Jedi, but the lightsaber is literally defined as "the weapon of a Jedi" and there aren't tons of people wielding lightsabers like they did with swords back in the Samurai days. The lightsabers are one of the main symbols of the Jedi, and it's awful risky of her to sport them so openly considering that if the Empire spotted them it would break her cover and she would immediately be hunted as a Jedi. It's almost as if she's proud of her Jedi history by the time of Rebels.

    Asajj Ventress was a dark Jedi, trained by a Sith master, so that's not the best example either.

    So if Ahsoka isn't a Jedi than neither is Luke because Luke was never even apart of the Order yet followed the Jedi way of life. She walked away from the Jedi Order, not the Jedi way of life. The two are not synonymous.


    She could say that, but she hasn't. She may say "I left the Jedi Order long ago" but that doesn't mean she still doesn't consider herself a Jedi or wouldn't be considered a Jedi by the people around her. There is such a thing as self-exile. She exiled herself from the Jedi Order but not the Jedi beliefs. In rebels it's obvious she still believes in the Jedi way of life by: A) building new lightsabers for herself B) training new Jedi C) fighting the darkside by hunting the sith D) leading the fight for peace and justice E) using the force D) being a totally undeniable badass.

    If she looks like a jedi, acts like a Jedi, teaches other Jedi, and is called a Jedi, then it's safe to assume she's a Jedi :p
     
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    Fighting the Empire over injustice has nothing to do with how she feels about Order 66 or her Jedi identity. She would feel sad, but that's not her home; she wouldn't pick up their crusade. She WAS a Jedi, not IS one. While it wasn't last minute, I do agree that the Empire sees her as a threat. Mostly because she WAS Jedi and is associated with Anakin Skywalker - not because she IS a jedi.
    Han Solo ESB. But that's beside the point.
    It doesn't make sense to give up her training just because she's not involved with the Jedi either.

    Asajj works perfectly because she's NOT a Sith - not anymore anyways. She's a bounty hunter who uses her training to her advantage. We don't call her a Sith after she leaves her association with Dooku, Sidious, and the Separtists as a whole - why can't we do the same to Ahsoka? And don't say their situations were different; they weren't really. Both were betrayed by the institutions they believed in, both quit (either forcibly or voluneerly), and both went on independent paths. Would they be shaped by their past? Yes. Would they use their training? Yes. Would it make sense to use their training? Yes. Are they Sith or Jedi? No.


    Luke was trained by Jedi, associated himself with the Jedi teachings, and proudly proclaimed to be a Jedi - there's a difference. Ahsoka doesn't proclaim to be a Jedi nor does she believe in their doctrine. She might agree with their ideals, but you don't have to be a Jedi to do that either.

    She didn't go into self exile, she straight up quit the Order.
    A) That's just common sense if she uses the weapon she's been trained to use. Note that the color she chose isn't one associated with the Jedi.
    B) Association - she's not training them (yet - I do agree that she'll train or mentor them later on)
    C) She did start fighting the Dark Side until she had a personal stake in the fight. She didn't start hunting for the truth (yes, a Halo reference) until after the Vader sequence
    D) Mon Mothma does the same, but she's not a Jedi. That's a trait associated with the Jedi but no exclusive to them
    E) She's a Force User. What do you expect? It's not like she's going to cut her self off from the Force. And she only has two options to which side she uses.
    F) Hahahaha! Can't deny that one :)

    However, the fact remains that if she doesn't IDENTIFY with being a Jedi, is NOT called a Jedi, then she's not a Jedi. Final Argument, Dave Filoni said so himself.

    http://www.starwars.com/video/rebels-recon-inside-fire-across-the-galaxy
    Check for about three minutes in.
     
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    Ok well that's all you needed to say really (I would've liked to have seen that three posts ago lol) Thanks for the vid and the in depth discussion. If Filoni says she's not a Jedi then she is most definitely not a Jedi.

    Actually what you said about Ventress and Ahsoka both being betrayed by their teachers is something I never thought of before... it really adds weight to their chemistry when Asajj helps her at the end of season 5. They're like Yin and Yang; the same yet opposites. Quite amazing actually. (r2-d2)
     
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    I like those ideas... However, I think she will did at the hand of her old Master.
     
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    She gots to go! Gooooo! All of them Ahsoka, Kanan and Ezra should die before ANH. Maybe Ezra makes it out but the only way is for him to turn and head for the beyond. Benicio Del Toro's role in VII? Give them a meaningful demise and end their story. I love the idea of the emperor killing Ahsoka in front of Vader and him letting it happen. Props to the cat who came up with that, freakin awesome. To me if they live it sort of cheapens the movies. Ben, Yoda, and Luke should be the only good guys with light sabers in the known galaxy by the time of ANH. A Jedi in hiding, once a Jedi or in training to become one doesn't matter to me. They all gots to go or turn. That's my thoughts anyway. Who knows.
     
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    I 1000% agree, except Kanan because he's probably Max Von Sydow's character in TFA :)
     
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    Maybe, I thought that at first also but I hope that's not the case though. I'm on the fence if any of the new characters in the cartoon rebels show up in the films. Force sensitive ones anyhow. The only reason I mentioned Ezra is because his last name is Bridger. Gap filler between films? This stuffs crazy. Love it though. Feel like a kid again.
     
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    Very good theories, ill throw my two cents into this. I dont think that when it comes to Ashoka vs. Vader that can or will happen, i cant see Vader killer her no matter how far to the dark side he has become. I say that, because look at how they were in the Clone Wars, she and him out of anyone were closer than even Padme, as well when she was basically forced to leave on her own free will, Anakin can and understand that pain an feeling of betrayal.

    Also, why does she have to die? As for Ezra/Kannan she is if anything a Master in the sense of being a Jedi, her history and being on par with Anakin, no doubt but she left the order, she is just a force user, not a Jedi even though one could claim she is. I would hope she survives, why because i really like her character and i see a sense of the same parallel that Anakin took in sense. Overall, i just dont see why must she die? Yoda said that Luke was the last of the Jedi, not force users and that is what Ashoka is along with thousands of others throughout the galaxy.
     
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    Vaders duel with Asohka will be like KR vs Finn. Vader will toy with Asohka, try to turn her, but nearly kills her...her saves her, however.
     
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    I'm a bit new to the Star Wars animated series; in fact, I haven't finished The Clone Wars yet, but I tend to agree that Ahsoka's death at the hands of Vader makes the most narrative sense. I think the reasons for that have been pretty well explained here by others.

    That said, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that she survives. There's no question that she has to confront Vader, and I think she'll do so unflinchingly. It's possible, though, that she is rescued from this confrontation, or abandons it in order to save others. I think her failure to bring back Anakin would wound her deeply, and she may need to take some time away from the rebellion to heal; it's also possible that her strong connection to Vader, and his knowledge of her alignment with the Rebellion could make her a liability. She wouldn't like it, but I think Ahsoka would resign herself to the periphery of the action if that's what it took to ensure the safety of her fellow rebels.

    Personally, I like Ahsoka, and if she were my character, I'm not sure I would have the heart to kill her. It all depends on the writers, really, but if they want her to live, I think they have an out.
     
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    I think Ahsoka will find herself heading towards defeat against Vader. But I think it's possible that something happens that causes a distraction to Vader and Bobba Fett Shows up and shoots her, thereby disintegrating her.
     
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    She hides out on Alderaan for a while after fleeing from a duel with Vader. Then one day Governor Tarkin brings his new weapon into the neighborhood...
     
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    YODA Luke...Luke...Do not...Do not underestimate the powers of the Emperor,
    or suffer your father's fate, you will. Luke, when gone am I,
    the last of the Jedi will you be.
    Luke, the Force runs strong in your
    family. Pass on what you have learned, Luke...

    So by the time of ROJ, Luke Skywalker is the last Jedi standing and alive and every other Jedi must be dead or turned or we have a major continuity crisis at our hands.
     
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    She'd have to know such a thing was even possible, and the entire time she was training to be a Jedi the powers that be explicitly said there WAS no afterlife.
     
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    That's pretty much exactly how I imagined the last scene of the series. The Ghost crew and Ahsoka have some sort of huge victory (perhaps tangentially related to the events of "Rogue One," we get a "happy ending," and the tag of the episode is that they're preparing to land on Alderaan to meet with Bail Organa. Fade to credits. That way you don't have to explain to the kids what's going to happen until they're ready to deal with it.
     
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