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Will Ben Solo be Redeemed?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Adam812, Sep 19, 2018.

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WIll Ben Solo be redeemed in Episode IX?

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  3. I don't know.

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  1. HAL'sgal

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    I guess word just didn't get out about what they did. They say history is written by the victors, but no one really won that war, the Empire just splintered, some new governments formed that left out the heroes of the OT, which would not be unusual, either. People who win wars, (especially if they are rebels!) don't always make the best leaders in government. Decision by consensus and compromise isn't their style- plus the leadership didn't really want to listen to them, it sounds like. And so buried what they had done- pretty sad.
     
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    I think it all depends on the future of the main saga. We have heard several times that IX will be the end, but it could also be a trick to draw attention and hype it even more.

    I believe that after a decade or so, all the surviving characters will reprise their roles in a new main trilogy.

    Nevertheless, I believe that Kylo is beyond redemption. He had his chances, but I think he has gone too far to turn to the light again. And those who will say that Vader did worse, Vader only turned for a moment and then passed. If he survived he would most likely have stood trial for his crimes.
     
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    I'm quite sure that Vader would have stood trial for what he did, and there's a reasonable chance that he would have been executed or imprisoned for life for the atrocities he committed.

    But that's about forgiveness or acceptance.
    We all can decide for ourselves what path we wish to take tomorrow.. we can be good, we can be bad.
    Ben can walk away from the darkness whenever he wants.. just like the rest of us.
    Would society accept him? unlikely, but that's their choice.
    Would Ben be able to live with the things he's done? i'm not sure how a person could.

    :)
     
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    I think it's a far more interesting story if he were to live. Regardless of whether or not he stays good or bad.
     
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    I don't know if he will be redeemed and I don't care. I would be happy if he died.
     
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    I don't know if "redeemed" is the right word. He will likely experience an epiphany that alters his inner philosophy at a critical part of the film. This will likely involve Rey since she is our protagonist and in good storytelling, the protagonist and antagonist want "the same thing" or that their desires and perspectives lead them inevitably into conflict. Both characters have inner philosophies that drive their behavior and in the conflict between protagonist and antagonist, both characters undergo a change that challenges and alters their inner philosophy. I think Leia will be a major part of this. Kylo could not kill her in TLJ and his family haunts him as his great weakness. The relationship between Rey, Leia, and Kylo will be central and essential to the resolution of each of these characters' stories.
     
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    I Like your insight, it's most likely what will happen with the dynamic between Rey and Kylo Ren. I am sure that Leia will have to have some sort of influence over Kylo's decisions (good or bad), much like Anakin's choices because of his attachment to his mother.
     
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    I would like to see a twist in which Kylo turns to the light and Rey turns to the dark. Probably not going to happen, but a guy can hope. So far I find Rey, a character I had a ton of hope for, to be simply boring. I just don't care about her at this point (for reasons I have articulated elsewhere and wish to avoid here so we don't get off track).

    I look at the PT and it is the "fall" of Anakin Skywalker. The OT is the redemption of him. Perhaps this could be the fall of Rey and the redemption of Kylo? I guess we will get our answers in about 370 days or so. LOL
     
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    That would have been an interesting plot device. Ideally, that would have happened in VIII, not IX. What could have happened is if Kylo's hesitance to kill his mom but having her die anyway in that moment could have pulled him away from Snoke and the FO and out on his own in an identity search. Meanwhile, Rey's untapped and uncontrolled power grows and a reclusive or disinterested Luke is unable to control her pull toward the darkness. She discovers something about her identity (parents?) that leads her to distrust Luke or reject him as a teacher and in her anger and confusion, she falls into darkness. She could go the Anakin direction where she is an extremely powerful yet volatile youth who is looking for a moral compass or for a parent/mentor figure. Han was an interesting intersection for Kylo and Rey in TFA and Luke could have been used in an even more potent way as that in VIII.

    Then in IX, based on this hypothetical story, Kylo and Rey could meet in the middle, where each person's struggle with identity and sense of isolation could find a truly balanced experience of the force.
     
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    I would like to see Kylo live at the end of the film but not as redeemed but as a broken man. This could leave it open if they want to continue the Solo/Skywalker legacy for movies later down the track.
     
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    I saw a rumoured title on reddit the other day that made me wonder whether Luke finishes the job he pondered doing at the Jedi temple. Ben seems like a bad guy so far, so maybe he really is just a bad guy? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then maybe it’s just a duck... I mean, he killed Hans Solo! Do we really want him to be redeemed? Luke has always been the hero, so he comes along and kills him, which obviously goes against his Jedi-ness, so maybe that will be the end of him as well. He takes Ben out to save the resistance, sacrificing himself at the same time, and leaving the way open for rey to take over as the hero in future movies.
     
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    He's probably the best thing about this whole sequel trilogy, but I do find it hard to believe someone who murdered their own father in cold blood could be redeemed, even in the Star Wars universe.
     
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    I don't believe this trilogy is following the same pace and rules of past ones. The OT and PT had clear endings, and there was a pattern with time jumps in between, but I don't think the ST will, or was ever intended to. Think about it, they have 3-4 good young actors to promote, I just find it unlikely they end it. I can see Kylo going the 12 labors of Hercules route sometime down the road, trying to redeem himself, but people never appreciating him for all the evil he's done. I can also see him slip along the way. I can see the saga just continuing these stories, but more detailed and slower pace. More like episodes to a season. It'll be shorter than that, but kind of a hybrid of traditional saga movie and ongoing TV series.

    As much as people say anyone can choose to be good, do good, it isn't that easy. He's created a pattern for himself, and has embraced the power of the dark side. I can't think of many people with power who later on rejected it, especially when it was within grasp. It's like asking a crack addict to stop when he has an unlimited supply wherever he goes. Add stressors that tend to be big reasons why people go back to old habits. Kylo will have a lot of stressors, not least of which people hating him and wanting him dead for the murders he's committed. I can't help but think of a series I've read where the main villain, a Vader type, kills the love of his life, but in a prophecy fulfilling way, and out of necessity, at her behest, that starts his redemption. Her example becomes the driving force of his change, but he's never trusted and ends up having to give up his own life in the end to the defense of the greater good.

    I don't see that happening in IX, at least not all of it, but I can see the potential to sow those seeds. Maybe Rey is the one with doubts and Kylo is the one to make the sacrifice, seeing the good person he loves or cares for and despite his evil, he can't tolerate seeing her getting the taint, following the path he has knowing full well the suffering he's endured.
     
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    @p03 what aspect of my statements, interpretations and opinions do you disagree with? I'd certainly like to read what you believe or what you disagree with and hopefully have a friendly discussion. I'd certainly enjoy to read where you think I've gone wrong so maybe I can extrapolate on my ideas where I think we disagree.
     
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    This.

    One of the things that was great about the Luke/Vader story is that, even when they were polar enemies, they both refused to kill each other.

    Kylo, on the other hand, just stabs his father with basically no provocation, and even Kylo doesn't seem to know why he did it. For me, at least, Kylo's actions are unforgivable.
     
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    it's just my opinion, but Han knew he would probably die the moment he stepped onto that bridge.. but he loved his Son, and he had to try.
    would Han forgive him? did he forgive him?
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    would Leia forgive him? no idea, but she loves him.

    He'll never forgive himself though, and that's all that really matters isn't it?

    If his parents love him and want him back.. then that's good enough for me. it has nothing to do with forgiveness, redemption or any other fancy word anyone can come up with. Their son is in pain and torment, and i want him free of it.

    am i upset that he killed Han Solo? yes... i'm furious about it, but i would personally feel that i was disgracing his wishes and his love for his son if i didn't want Ben to come home.
     
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    I really don't mind if they do a redemption story for Kylo. My fear however would be that they make it seem easy. His redemption should probably span a saga with years time gaps in between, not a quick turn from the dark and then everyone loves him. Looking at the Avengers as an example, when Scarlet Witch accidentally causes the death of the King of Wakanda, it costs the team and the echoes from that mistake resonate, and that was an accident. Kylo deliberately did what he did, not only to his father but to countless others. There's a good, if not great story to be told there, but I'm not sure if LFL would or could tell it. It should be very controversial, with really deep questions to the limits of forgiveness and acceptance to responsibility and consequence for ones actions. Kylo's redemption alone could be a back bone to a trilogy if done right, or it could be glossed over and be a major missed opportunity to discuss something of substance within a movie.

    I think that's where the resistance lies, in a fear that Disney/LFL are not up to the task of delving into all aspects of that story. Into looking into the eyes of the countless victims of Kylo's cruel actions and balancing the nuance that there is no "right" answer. Also, to show the struggle and risk in forgiving someone who's willingly justified it within himself and the potential that it could be disastrous to those who do the forgiving.

    In my mind, a Kylo redemption story should always have Kylo on the edge, or at least viewers on the edge, mixed and unsure about his motives. He should be a wild card, agent of chaos, feared but maybe a necessary evil (there would probably require a scenario that his services are needed).
     
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    But Vader's are?
     
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    There are allot of evil people that walkabout, and they have minions that follow them, so its understandable why so many would want a monster, and murderous snake like Kylo Ren to be redeemed. The devil took the form of a serpent when he seduced Eve with lies. Kylo Ren tried to seduce Rey with lies, but Rey is a Jedi. She took the Lightsaber from that murderous serpent because that Lightsaber belongs to her, a Jedi Knight.

    For those that believe Snoke manipulated poor Ben, Ben killed Snoke, Poor Ben is now free from Snoke, yet he continues on his path of evil. Rey of light could not follow Poor Ben's path of evil. She could not join him in his evil endeavors. Poor misguided Ben is lost.

    Ben: Did you come here to say you forgive me, to save my soul?

    Luke: NO

    Ben: When I kill you, I'll have killed the last Jedi.

    Luke: The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi.

    Ben: I will
    destroy her, you, and all of it. No quarter, no clemency, no mercy.
     
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    I really like everything you were saying in your post, but this stood out to me because the way you have Kylo described here is how I currently see him in the ST. I was curious if you did too, or if not, what would it take for him to get that point of toeing the line between good and evil?
     
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