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Will Disney Taking Away Everything We Love About Star Wars?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Amanaman, Apr 25, 2017.

  1. Lock_S_Foils

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    OK I haven't been on this thread since the beginning.....don't take this the wrong way but I don't watch SW for the aliens. I don't know which aliens are from which system. I don't know what aliens should be in what bar scene. Just being honest.

    The OP's original assertion was that "Disney is taking away everything that we love about SW"

    I most wholeheartedly disagree. I do not watch SW for Jedi or Sith or TIEs or X Wings or Aliens. I watch it for core themes such as honor, courage, integrity, teamwork. Something that Disney most definitely have kept in their movies so far, especially R1, which I enjoyed more than TFA.
     
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  2. Amanaman

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    Excellent words my friend. I too liked some of the new aliens created by JJ but as you said, Disney should indeed expand SW instead of trying to recreate it.
     
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    Hey no cheating! Zuvio doesn't count as he never made it into the movie. :)
     
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    OK....I'm confused. So now Disney needs to "expand SW" instead of trying to recreate it? I thought you wanted it recreated? Rogue One expanded it nicely.
     
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    and I thought its Lucasfilm's job to expand SW....
     
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    Yes, the good old Star Wars fan paradox.

    We want new...but not too new.
    We want it like George did it....but different.
     
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    Yes. I am in the minority. Disney shouldn't have much of a say in the newer films. When Lucasfilm was partnered with Fox studios, they pretty much let George do his own thing, ie: the PT. Though...could it have hurt if the executives at FS had a say in what the PT should be like? I don't think Lucas would have wanted all that studio interference. All Fox did was help fund the films so they could be made because they had the distribution rights, which is similar when Disney bought the rights. At least that's what I read into when they did.
     
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    He was in three frames of the scene during which Finn and Rey run through Niima Outpost! That still counts! :p
     
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    Disney has already taken away the part of Star Wars I loved the most: the character of Han Solo. It took the wind right out of my sails and nearly destroyed my fandom outright. But that's water under the bridge, they made me an outsider with the updated franchise and I'm good with it. That said, they probably won't take away everything, though it seems to me like they are indeed trying to turn the franchise into something it's never been before. Whether that's good or bad, I've got no idea. It would be nice if they kept it consistent and familiar, that would certainly be my preference. But again, I'm on the outside looking in with all the post-Disney material.

    When working with an established universe like Star Wars, there needs to be a balance between creative freedom and being consistent. If you give yourself too much freedom, a lot of the existing fans won't appreciate it; if you're too rigid and consistent, you won't draw in new audiences. It's all about balance, like what TLJ seems to be all about. Maybe that means there's hope for the future. ;)
     
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    All right, let's run a little thought experiment:

    In October 2012, Disney acquired the rights to Star Wars. Now, that was some pretty big news. But let's say this deal was made in some secret back room, and no one ever learned about it. Instead, the only thing the public hears is new Star Wars movies are coming!

    So, a few years later, The Force Awakens drops. Then, a year after that, we get Rogue One.

    Assuming the public still thinks George Lucas is the one in charge of these films (despite his overall lack of involvement), do you think people's reactions would be different?

    Would seeing The Force Awakens and Rogue One as done by Lucas be a different experience for fans, even if the films are exactly as they are now?
     
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    100% people would see them differently.
    People would probably call TFA a "visionary retelling by creator George Lucas."
    It would be heralded as the return of Lucas!

    People always attach negative to things done by Disney for some reason. Probably because they are the best and the biggest so they're easy to root against.
     
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    I think the whole D stuff is exagerated and blown out of proportion, no one working on the films complained about the whole deal.


    I mean I don't expect them to tell us everything but I still think they could be honest if they had some reasonable complains about Disney knowing the fans behind them.
    George made a decision and he approached Kathleen first and then told her that he sold to Disney, I don't see that he took that lightly and he defintly got his reasons to do so.
    Some really good things came out of that deal, like the Storygroup or Kathleen turning this corporation into a fully operational film production company in no time.
    We should be careful to not use George as a blank piece of paper for our own assumptions and wishes about Star Wars, he was really never interested in doing fans a favor, he did his own thing with Star Wars and that ids totally ok for the inventor.
     
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    Which is why I never understood why fans defend his bad decisions so much, almost like it's a personal attack on them.

    He wasn't doing it "for us", for our money maybe....but not "for us".
     
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    No my friend I don't want Disney to recreate SW. What I would love for Disney to do is to follow the same formula Lucas did with the PT. Create their own new stuff will merging it more with the old instead of seeming to want to trash most of what came before.
     
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    What did they trash?
     
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    I don't know why he did it, because he did things and I can decide for myself, and only for myself, to like it or not. But I refuse to speculate or to use the argument like "George would have done this or that", the simple truth is we don't know.
     
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    Agreed. I just dislike how he's supposedly above critique and criticism to some.
     
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    Look at the way Disney has eliminated mostly all aliens created by Lucas. TFA trashed every single one except for Ackbar and Niem Numb. RO almost did the the same thing. It was reasonable for there to be plenty of known aliens since this movie was a prequel in the OT timeline yet Disney prefered to use it's own creatures rather than using those created by Lucas. With the exception of Mon Calamari, the known aliens used seemed more like fan nods rather than normal inhabitants of the galaxy.

    The same could be said about the animals. In the SW movies made by Lucas, animals were used in a way that made them seem like part of that world and it wasn't like if someone just tossed one in to show a new creature. While certain scenes included a certain creature just for that scene like the Rancor or the Ackley, many of the other animals felt at home with it's environment. Taun Tauns, Banthas, Kaadu ect.
     
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    You know, I agree and I have to say I felt the same way about Droids in both TFA and RO. While yes we did see them in both movies, the droids made by Lucas seemed to be part of the lifestyle of said galaxy. The new droids from these new movies (while they are cool) were kind of just stuck there so that we could see new things from Disney. I like BB-8 alot yet he seemed a bit out of place. When we got R2 and C3PO in the OT we saw that they were just one of many of the same types of droid that filled the SW galaxy yet it was their personalities that one us over and made them shine from the rest. BB-8 on the other hand seemed as if he was specially made for that movie to sit well with fans and meant to be liked by fans. PZ-4CO was the same. If there had been more of him around then we could at least know that this was a new droid that was seeing use in the galaxy after the long years after ROTJ yet there was just one single droid of this type and nothing more.
     
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    So by not featuring that means trashed?
    Did Disney say they do not exist?
     
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