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Will it be a bust?

Discussion in 'Rian Johnson's New Trilogy' started by rvtv, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Wolfpack

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    "Bust" is not an accurate descriptor, but any Star Wars movie with no connection to the classic trilogy will not have anywhere near as much mass appeal as the 3 movies we have gotten from Disney so far. They will top out no higher than Rogue One, and even that is being optimistic.
     
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    Sensitive feelings detected.
     
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    Star Wars fans have never been able to agree on anything from 1997 onward... And I'm told that it actually goes back even further than that. Like, 1980 further.

    This franchise is considered the Yugoslavia of fandoms for a reason.
     
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    To the truest of true fans anything after ANH is a corruption and bastardization of Star Wars and is against the will of George Lucas!

    To THE REAL Star Wars fans, ESB is the pinnacle of Star Wars and anything after is a let down and overcomplication of Star Wars.

    The honest Star Wars fans know that Star Wars ended in ROTJ and the galaxy was saved and Luke, Han, Chewie and Leia were happy ever after.

    etc
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    lol.........true though.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 26, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 26, 2018 ---
    "It should have ended! It should have ended! I hate all the new star wars and that's why I stalk the cantina day in day out!"
     
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    How do these threads even come up? Are people hoping that it is a bust? Why even bring that negativity to the table to something that we have ZERO info about?
     
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    Some people are mad at Rian Johnson, but instead of hoping for failure you'd think they'd be hoping his vision is closer to theirs than apparently The Last Jedi was.

    I don't understand the need to root against him- it's still Star Wars.

    Edit: Not sure why BigBoss rated this as "Clouded". Apparently we should support pessimism these days?
     
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    It's likely that many members of the international audience are young and barely know about the older Star Wars movies. The same issue is likely taking place with Star Trek, Alien, Mad Max, and more. Given that, producers will likely continue coming up with combinations of partial or full reboots that are also remakes (because they will rehash material from previous movies), and then push through with prequels, sequels, spinoffs, etc., to speed up development time in releasing as many tent-poles as they can each year or so, and then use lots of special effects and spectacle (especially given CGI) right out of the gate (with provisions for 3D, IMAX, etc., plus multiple versions of the movies released on disk or on streaming later) to justify ticket prices, etc. And this will continue until a saturation of tent-poles and merchandising leads to diminishing returns, after which the industry starts experiencing problems, just like what's happening to the AAA video game industry.
     
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    The story group is doing fine. SW is actually COHERENT for a change. But you're right, lets go back to the confusing contradicting mess of the old EU.
     
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    coherent....what are the first orders motivations and how did it rise? why didnt leia become a jedi, why didnt snoke order 100 star destroyers to come to raddus location and shoot the ships shields till it goes down....how is that physically possible that a republic entire fleet is all in one system, who is snoke


    the worldbuilding of the ST is too thin to even be coherent
     
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    [​IMG]*
    * This gif is intended to represent "bust".
     
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    We don't even know what this new trilogy will be about, all we know is that there will be a non-saga trilogy helmed by Rian Johnson. That's it. I see no reason to be concerned at all. I think it could be interesting, because of all the possibilities that they can do with it. For the future of Star Wars, I foresee them doing a variety of films. They've got to keep interest in the brand, thus they've got to tell a variety of tales in different eras about different characters. Some can be gap-fillers, others could be more of a beloved character, the possibilites are endless.
     
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    i was and still am to an extent a big Rian Johnson fan. i didnt like the LAst JEdi, but i dont put the blame for that solely on him alone. Lucasfilm, no doubt had involvement, JJ did the first one, so Rian did have things he had to follow on from (well, kind of) and all the prior Star Wars canon too.

    so in saying all that, i do hope he will bring us something good. something fresh, as in, new setting, new era. riff on old ideas (KOTOR) with new ones. i dont need to see Rvan and Malek, but a setting of the Old Republic, with no Stormtroopers and new command structures, im all for it. imagine seeing the First Jedi Civil War or something like that. i do think that Rian is creative, but i also recently found out he doesnt understand Star Wars the way i do.. so either way, im hoping for the best. as much as its been said 'OH WELL SOMEONE WILL HATE IT' someone is going to like it too, and id wager if they keep the familiar Marvel-lite formula, you will have more lovers than haters (seriously, they made Ant-Man a commercial success)...
     
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    You totally missed the point. I didn't know it was a requirement to explain 30+ years of content in 4 to 5 years. My point is, read all of the various SW materials out there and they flow together. There is an Easter eggs in Rogue One (we thought it was nonsense) that ended up being a plot point in TLJ. Rebels expands certain character that was featured in TCW and Rogue One, etc. You can dislike Disney and ST if you want but compare the story flow of the old EU to the books we have now and you'll see my point.
     
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    First of all I loved The Last Jedi and I'm a big fan of Rian Johnson. I'm not convinced this will ever happen. Now this whole "RJ is starting for a blank slate" PR could be BS. Would Lucasfilm simply give RJ a trilogy before TLJ came out because they liked working with him? It doesn't make any sense. Lucasfilm probably doesn't want to be hounded about their 10 year plan, but they have a 10 year plan. Pablo Hidalgo has said the look 10 years out and he even said the thing that excited him most in 2017 is something that wouldn't happen (if at all) until 2022.

    Anyway, assuming they're telling us the truth. RJ has to come come up with a really great idea for a stand alone film. If that film doesn't do well then they won't green-light the sequels. I'm actually looking forward to these new series. I love the Skywalker Saga, but the idea of something new with new lore has a lot of great potential.
     
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    Basically, after TLJ people already have a strong opinion one way or another about RJ and his work.

    Despite not liking TLJ (understatement) I'm cautiously optimistic. For all of my issues with TLJ, he inherited a story that clashed with his own ideas (I think), thus we got a jarring movie. I also think he was asked to make this one very different to counter the rehash accusations from TFA. So as much as he had a blank page to work with, he did have to continue and there were probably some broad expectations from LFL and KK.

    I didn't hate every idea he had in TLJ (I even liked some), so maybe starting his own baby, it'll be smoother and come together better than TLJ (for those of us who disliked TLJ).
     
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    I guess the poor Ewok movies are Bosnia.
     
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    It's an expanding universe. For sure, some parts of it will be better than others.
    But boy, am I looking forward to it ...
     
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    I don't think that many people will go see it, to be honest. So in that sense it might very well be a bust.
     
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