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Will Rian Johnson's Career Ever Recover?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ScumAndVillainy, Mar 24, 2018.

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  1. RoyleRancor

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    Are you seriously trying to play a linguistics game and shame me for using the term fanaticism?
     
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    this term is indeed a term that should be careful to be used.
     
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  3. RoyleRancor

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    No, it really shouldn't.
    If there was ever a guess if I pressed a nerve, this answers that.

    It's a word. I am not implying anyone is a terrorist or anything like that.
    This is you deflecting and being absurd. Have a good one. It's time we part.
     
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  4. Buckeye94

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    Gee, thanks for the life advice random stranger on a message board.:rolleyes: Let me give you some, if you dislike my opinion, keep scrolling. There's no need to jump down anyone's throat because you don't agree with them. I responded to the OP with my honest thoughts on the question posed, why are you jumping to bizarre conclusions about my life and my CRAZED anger? I didn't like the movie and won't see anything else by this director. Last time I checked, this was a public message board where I can share these opinions. But please, continue to make assumptions that my life is ruined because I didn't like this movie and I need to fill the gap with something REAL. Which is a pretty arrogant statement on your part.
     
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  5. RoyleRancor

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    Because you are saying that one movie would ruin anything from someone ever again. That's not logical.

    Don't worry the block list is a wonderful function I am taking full of advantage of.
    Have a good one.
     
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    It's logical to me that if I don't like someone's work that I wouldn't support it. You're attacking and insulting my opinion, but you need to use the block list? Okay, whatever. See you around.
     
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  7. ScumAndVillainy

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    Nope... maybe he makes decent films. IDC. But you don't get my money if you destroy cherished IP with a bad movie. Its like asking if you'd hire someone who just mugged you. Nope. Maybe they're a good guy, but they only get to do that once.

    He's pretty much a television director anyway with limited talent. Its no big loss.
     
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    Doesn't matter what I believe in, what matters is what the powers-that-be at Disney/LFL believe in. But yeah, movie executives generally don't believe in second chances when hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake.
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    This. This this this. This.

    The Star Wars name, Luke Skywalker and the fact that this was a flagship storyline episode, guaranteed over a billion dollars no matter what. People keep thinking $1.3 billion is something to brag about when really it's not considering what we are talking about here.
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    Of course, the above logic extends both ways. Why are you THIS mad that other people disliked a movie? Put us on ignore and move on.
     
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    This has nothing to do with movie executives...and us fans are not dealing with millions of dollars. I just think it's unfair to judge something when you know absolutely nothing about it.
     
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    Correct. I'm dealing with something like 50 bucks for 2 tickets, popcorn and soda for myself and my girlfriend.

    But the subject of the thread is where Rian Johnson's career goes from here, either inside or outside the Star Wars Galaxy. And to that end, hundreds of millions of dollars are indeed on the line.
     
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    Yes for them. But not for us. As I added, I just think its unfair to judge when we have no idea what it is yet.
     
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    I have and you're joining the others.
    I'm more just dumbfounded than mad.
    Dumbfounded how people can be this mad over fictional events to the point of saying it invalidates all of Rian Johnsons' other works or creating the spam Twitter profiles, wishing him death....treating Star Wars like a religion not a movie...that's dumbfounding
     
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    Fair enough, and please note that for all my criticisms of E8, I am not someone who refuses to watch future SW movies. I can't see myself going to a non-SW Rian Johnson movie, but I also can't imagine that there will ever be a (live action) SW movie out in the theaters that I don't take the time to see, even if/when Rian Johnson directs it.
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    I don't see anyone in this forum wishing him death. I don't twitter so I certainly can't speak about those idiots doing whatever it is they do.

    As for being mad over fictional events, I find that perfectly understandable. For many of us, Star Wars is a huge part of our lives. Maybe it just doesn't mean as much to you as it does to some others of us.

    Fictional stories can instill tremendous emotion in people. Star Wars is hardly alone in that regard.
     
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    But nightangel, why do you like victimizing yourself? from what I wrote, nowhere did I put people like you to be a pain in the ass for someone, I was pointing out that the best thing you can do is to focus on something you like, or stay with the OT and the EU, but why do you insist on continuing to suffer (well maybe suffer is too much) with something you do not like? (referring to the new movies), for example i have been seeing you in some post that talks about good things that happened to the movie or to the director, with some disgust.You should just go through these new movies and focus on the part you like about the Star Wars Saga. Neither Rian Johnson, nor Lucasfilm, nor disney will come to your house to burn all the things you already have from Star Wars.It's not something that takes away my sleep, but I'm little struck by this

    Anyway, I must recognize at least that you people have been respectful and have not gone to download your displeasure in the poor man, or that you have not wish him to die, as I have seen of some people who have gotten into his twitter to yell him things in every tweet that he create.
     
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    Will Rian Johnson's career ever recover?

    He is getting a trilogy and is doing his best with work already starting in its very early stages

    The question that should be asked is,
    Can Rian Johnson regain the trust, love and hearts of Star Wars fans and casual audiences that are negative of The Last Jedi?

    Hopefully. We shall see. :)

    All the best to him! Also, let's hope JJ does his magic to continue what Rian has given to the storyline and end it all nicely. Let's be honest, did we really think the Original Trilogy will end with how Return of the Jedi ended after all the major and devastating events of The Empire Strikes Back?

    To me, nope.
     
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    RJ is fine as long as SW is making money, he gets applauded by critics and KK likes what he's doing. I don't see his career on a downward trajectory, regardless how much I disliked TLJ.

    If one or more of those things change, then the question becomes valid, but at this point RJ should be envied for the position he's in. If there's a silent backlash like some suggest (I need to see it to believe it) then once the money goes, then KK's approval will drop and his career then become in question. But for right now, he's the envy of Hollywood. Realistically, he probably has at least 2 more blockbusters to make and totally bomb (2 of three of financially, critical acclaim and KK/Disney support) before that even gets questioned, so I believe his trilogy is pretty safe.
     
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    I would never do something like that and offend anyone from LFL/Disney personally. I only criticize the movie itself. That's the reason why I had this fight with RoyleRancor last night, because he did put all these people together in a fanatic category. I absolutely distance myself from people threatening anyone. Quite the opposit, I just wish our society would be more respectful to each other. But different oppinion should always be allowed and not talked down as a not counting minority. Personally I only vote with my wallet.
     
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    In your eyes his career might never recover, but in eyes of everyone else he is in a pretty good spot job-wise.
     
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    You should do a little study on what failure actually is. Rian Johnson didn't fail. You just didn't like the movie, so you make up things in your head about how he'll never work again. Try again...
     
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    Well.. we'll certainly see if his career can recover. And it appears you think he'll never work again, as I did not say that. In fact, I gave even odds he at least makes the first movie of this new 'trilogy'. But the big thing to consider when it comes to failure in the movie business, is often you won't see the damage you've done to your career until you try to make another movie. That then determines whether the rhetoric surrounding you was concrete, or simply air.

    And the movie business is a fickle beast. As an example, John Milius created a very successful movie in 1984 called Red Dawn that made money, and practically killed his career for a decade doing it. Simply having made money is sometimes not enough, particularly if you do a billion dollars in overall brand damage to a marquee IP doing it.
     
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