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Will Rian Johnson's Career Ever Recover?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ScumAndVillainy, Mar 24, 2018.

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  1. nightangel

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    Johnson will be fine. The general public, feelings on TLJ notwithstanding, likely won't associate him with the film, even.

    To be honest, I'm more worried about the fans who are so obsessed with painting TLJ as a failure. Their chances of "recovering" from their weird funk seem far more slim.
     
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    To be honest; I really do not care about Rian Johnson's trilogy. I say this as a fan of Rian and still very much enjoy his prior work. The last Jedi truthfully killed any excitement and anticipation for SWs for me going forward. So to be brutally honest; no I am not excited.

    The reason being is that I do not think he made the jump to directing a big tentpole blockbuster as well. It is one thing to create your own story, establish the rules and everything else. But another thing to jump into another franchise and try to do this. For I get it. He wanted to express his creativity. That's what directing more often is, outside of taking the standard studio for hire directing job.

    But really, even with Carte Blanche; I do not think Rian's screenplay was all that good. I truly believed he'd overestimated himself. And truthfully; I do think he needed a co-writer to help him out. And honestly that is what I'd like to see from him. Because, writing is tough. Anyone who is a content creator will tell you other wise. But really; there were some major missteps from The Last Jedi. And its divisiveness is well justified.So having a second set of eyes to help you is not a bad idea. And also, have the story group actually do their job and have a tangible outline.

    Compared to say Ryan Coogler who I honestly believe did a much better jump with Black Panther: a slightly overlionized, but still excellent made movie, Johnson to me faltered big time. And I say this as a fan of his.

    But hey; enjoy the current SWs state people. I'm happy there are those that do. For me, I just do not care anymore. Hence, my lack of engagement on these forums nowadays. Take care everyone, and may the Force be with you.
     
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    Same here. If we are expected more of the same as TLJ, I don't think his new trilogy will have the epic scope of a Star Wars universe we're used to. TLJ was a good film and all, but it was small, constrained. It lacked the epic feel. I am expecting more of the same with his new trilogy, I could be wrong but I just have that feeling.
     
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    I really hope you're wrong... all this whining about RJ will die once his new trilogy is a hit, if not, if it indeed sucks, oh well... RJ will run off to direct other films. Lord & Miller still have careers, Gareth Edwards wasn't as good as RJ so hopefully he recovers from R1 aftermath, J.J. is back after all the rehash, and Mary Sue backlash.... oy vey...;)
     
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    I'd have to agree with you in that I have no enthusiasm for Rian Johnson's trilogy and with the divide TLJ has created I'm sure the are plenty of fans who feel the same. I didn't like TLJ, infact I would say it left me feeling deflated with the direction of the franchise, but as a Star Wars fan I will go and see every Star Wars film that is released and just because I didn't like TLJ that doesn't mean that I'm not going to like any of the new films.

    I'll give every new film a chance and that includes Rian Johnson's trilogy, who knows maybe they will be amazing.

    One thing to consider with Rian Johnson's career, the backlash from TLJ could have an impact on the first part of his Trilogy. Disgruntled fans might just not bother going to see this film, also if it turns out to be as divisive as TLJ then I think it will be damaging to his career and he might be replaced for the second part.
     
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    Film studios don't think like fans, studios know how hard it is to make a good Star Wars film, its near impossible(look what the creator did with the prequels), so directors who are courageous enough to take on a Star Wars film will continue to work unless they really suck going forward. J.J. didn't want the gig at first, Spielberg had to convince him to do it, heck Spielberg who's considered one of the greatest filmmakers of all time won't direct a Star Wars film.
     
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    Don't forget David Fincher, Brad Bird, Guillermo del Toro and probably couple of other directors. All of them were offered a SW film and all of them rejected it. In this day & age, if you want to make a SW film, you either have to have a really thick skin, not be afraid to lose a lot or be just a little bit crazy.
     
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    I don’t get this Rian Johnson hate. As I see it he is a great director and no Star Wars film is perfect. I liked Rian Johnson’s Last Jedi film. I thought it was a great film. It was action packed and I liked the odd joke here a there. I thought the film was very unpredictable and this is wonderful. This film had me on edge the whole time. Certain parts shocked me and some parts where like what... This is good though as some films are too predictable and boring this was the opposite it was entertaining and enjoyable. People just need to let go and move on and just accept the fact there theories they had built up in their minds didn’t come true. It was a great surprise to everyone and I liked the suprises even the ones I’m still unsure about. At the end of the day it’s a film. I can’t wait to see more of Rian’s work in the future especially this trilogy unrelated to the Skywalker saga. I think he will do a great job and make a very interesting new trilogy in his personal way.
     
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    The surprises and twists during the first time watching TLJ was something that I never felt before in a movie theather. Was an experience unique. And later when I went to see it more 3 times I enjoyed the movie in a different way: Payent attention to the details (they are many) and all the double meanning of the film.
     
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    This is exactly how I felt it was like a new experience I have new ear felt before. I too thoroughly enjoyed it many times. I can’t wait for the Blu Ray release in the UK so I can finally see all of the cut scenes.
     
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    star wars fans are getting salty
     
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    It was well made on a visual sense, but that's all dressing. Character is everything and really outside of Kylo; most of the characters I thought were utter garbage. Heck, even The Force Awakens, rushed and uninspired as that movie was, got some of this down. Rian Johnson, I truly felt like he never actually saw The Force Awakens and was so fixated on breaking the mold aka subverting expectations that he'd missed the point. And that left me disappointed.




    There is a chance that Rian's trilogy could be amazing. But truthfully; I cannot get invested about it. Unless he was to hire a co-writer to help him pen the screenplay and organize his ideas; sure. But I do not think he's cut out for Star Wars. As for seeing every Star Wars movie; I will never do that.

    Honestly, nothing against you; but it is that mentality that we get the films, like The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. And really, how one enacts change is simple: vote with your wallet. And that's what I am doing. I shouldn't feel obligated to see the next film out of some brand loyalty. I have a right to choose.

    I wasn't going to see Solo, even before TLJ,and especially now I will be skipping it. And besides, I have other franchises, like Marvel, to keep me invested. Star Wars for me is a brand coasting off of nostalgia. And I can get plenty of that nostalgia from rewatching the OT, PT and even Legends.

    So really, I'm at this point a casual fan who will pick and choose. And does not give a crap about canon.
     
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    I'm not disagreeing with you, and you are right that you shouldn't go and see any new Star Wars films out of obligation or brand loyalty. I enjoyed TFA and went to the Cinema multiple times to see it, I didn't enjoy TLJ and only went once so I am voting with my wallet.

    Also it's my choice to go and see every new Star Wars film and that isn't out of obligation. The reason I will go and see every Star Wars film is that until I see it, I'm not going to know if it's any good or not. If I think it is good then I'll likely go and see it again, if I think it's bad then I won't bother.

    I do get where you are coming from though, I think a lot of fans will have been put off new Star Wars by TLJ.
     
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    Well, I don't know how you can get invested into something when we know nothing about it. :rolleyes:
     
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    I just saw this post again. Man, whatever happened to that Rian Johnson guy? Did he ever do anything after The Last Jedi?
     
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    Wow, George R. R. Martin needs to write a book about this thread and call it "A Feast of Crows".
     
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    I think that years from now, when a new generation gets to see the ST for the first time and not have the internet buzzing with hate, that TLJ might be considered the cream of the crop of the ST for many new fans, and leave people wondering "Why didn't Rian Johnson do the entire trilogy??"
     
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    Maybe he should change his name to Rian Skywalker, a name that another embarrassed individual has 'appropriated' (see: stolen) to hide her shameful family roots....
     
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