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SPECULATION Will Skywalker’s replace Jedi?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by techsteveo, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. churchlander

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    Not a fan of the skywalker being the new jedi/force user name. I'll feel kind of let down if that is the purpose of the title.

    Include the Skywalker order thing in this list but these are the possible ways that I can think of currently that the title might be involved in the plot of the film.
    • Rey taking the Skywalker name
    • Rey being an actual Skywalker
    • Kylo redemption
    • Luke or Anakin Resurrection (I know it's a little crazy)
    • Possible other Skywalker we are not aware of? Example: Frank Skywalker Anakin's younger lazy brother appears out of nowhere (obviously that's a joke but you get the idea) or maybe Luke had a son/daughter we have not met in film yet.
     
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    I'm starting to think the title simply refers to Luke. We know a lot of fans are upset at how Luke went out. We know JJ and KK want to make up for the lack of excitement. We know Palpatine is returning, which means he cheated death. We know Luke, Yoda, etc can cheat death as force ghosts. We know force ghosts can interact with their environments. We know JJ loves misdirection. We know from the teaser that Luke may tell Rey "this is your fight".

    I would imagine that once Luke/Anakin finds out that Palpatine has returned, they will RISE to help finish the fight they started.
     
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    To me after thinking about it for a while and after JJ said it will tie the whole series together. Then it probably means Anakin and the whole arc of the story from beginning to the end. Like a complete circle
     
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    That's kind of my thinking as well. I'm not saying there won't be an Anakin appearance in 9 but I highly doubt it. Seems more like Luke rising. Maybe they could do it in a way that doesn't offend people that really liked TLJ. Not sure what that would be off the top of my head.
     
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    If that's the case then, Luke gets his wish when he said that the Jedi must end. Episode VIII has already set this up, The idea is that a Skywalker can come from anywhere. Such as a small child.
     
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    It would be a terrible marketing choice. Jedi have stood for good guys for 40 years.
     
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    On the other hand though, the Sith are gone (caveat: until IX reveals what's going on with old man Palps) and Rey appears to be the last Jedi... so perhaps a new order is what is needed to move the stories forward into a new post-Jedi age?
     
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    I think there can be a post Jedi age, or NO JEDI, but to replace the single syllable word that rolls off of the tongue to represent all that is good in the galaxy to a to a 3 syllable term that has to be explained seems like a bad toy selling strategy.....just MHO. Jedi has taken on meaning outside of Star Wars. I watch a YouTube channel that has a "welding Jedi" to convey that he's really good at welding. It would be like Coke changing their name to Burp Soda, or Kleenex changing to "Nosewiper".
     
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    While I agree with the premise that Skywalkers could be the evolution of Jedi training. Luke refers to Rey being the Last Jedi at the end of episode 8. I wish I could take a side but I just can't. Good tease, that's for sure.
     
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    What if, going forward, "Skywalker" simply means the equivalent of "Force sensitive" or those who believe in the Force? After all, a big part of the TLJ lesson was that the Force is not just for the Jedi and the Sith... it is not just about some Force Royalty... it is for everyone (even little BroomBoi).

    As tired as biblical resurrection stories may be, I suspect that is where this is all going and the followers of the Force are going to be called "Skywalker" much like followers of the New Testament are called "Christian." For what it is worth, if this is the case, I can't help but feel a little let down by it, in a similar way to how I was a little let down by Neo's Christ-like sacrifice at the end of the Matrix Trilogy. It was just too on the nose. But my satisfaction with such an arc would likely depend on which "Skywalker" would be resurrected... Luke, Anakin... If am being totally honest, I would probably have mixed feelings about either one... and the possibility raises a ton of questions for me:

    • I always thought the immaculate conception and "re-birth" of Anakin as Darth Vader was an interesting "Inverse-Space-Jesus." But arguably, Anakin has already been resurrected by Palpatine as Darth Vader. So what if Star Wars is telling a reversed story of the New Testament, where the "Anti-Christ" (Anakin/Vader) comes before the resurrected savior, Luke?

    • Does that resurrected light-side savior then have to be Luke? I have also strongly suspected that Kylo Ren is what Luke would have become had he killed Darth Vader... kind of the Anti-Luke.

    • Or could the second coming be Rey, also of immaculate conception like Anakin before her (I shudder to think she is his female clone)?

    • Star Wars has always had heavy biblical themes of immaculate conception, re-birth, and redemption and it is intriguing, if not scary, to think we are also going down a biblical path to a story of resurrection. So my last question is, if we are destined for a story of resurrection, doesn't that inevitably need to be tied up by Judgment? Who ultimately will have the responsibility to pass such Judgment upon the Galaxy Far, Far Away?
    I think my mind is going to be blown trying to answer these kind of questions....
     
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    I can see force ghost Anakin appearing to Kylo and that being the catalyst for Kylo's redemption.
     
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    If we are supposed to honor the developments in TLJ (and this is an anthology, we should), Luke will not be the last Jedi. I thought we were all generally on the same page that there would be a new Jedi Order. Maybe Jedi are still Jedi, but there are now Orders and the first one out the gate for the new Jedi is

    "the Order of Skywalker"
     
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    The more I think of the idea of Skywalker replacing Jedi the more I dislike it.

    The GFFA is a universe that can't help but have some comparables to the real world, force users and their orders taking the place of religion(s).

    So the implications would mirror the real world as it sits today, and I think that would be problematic.

    Think about it, an ancient religion that gets it mostly "right" but is humanly (humanoidly) flawed. Then there's a chosen one, who comes from a conception that has no father, to fulfill prophecy, and then tries to replace the first belief system. Yes, then there's some difference, but the conclusion is similar, the last one makes the ultimate sacrifice, leaving behind one to tell the story and continue the legacy... replacing the old with something "better". Oh, and there's a counter to the Jedi and this new Skywalker order for thousands of years of war as its history in the Sith. I don't think any religion would want to be compared to the Sith lol.

    Yikes lol. If you can't see the parallels to the reals world without me spelling them out lol, it's cringy as all get out. Never mind the Jedi starts with the same two letters as the religion of the other "chosen" or saviour lol.

    Now I'm not one who was all religiously indignant from the circumstances surrouding Anakin's birth, but I think had GL not incorporated that into the PT, it might be able to avoid some of the scrutiny. But as it is, I think the parallels would be a little too much on the nose, painting Jedi/Skywalkers too closely to Judaio/Christian while the Sith could be interpretated as another religion or set of beliefs. I'm not saying that this was the intention, but the optics are pretty easy to relate the SW and real world interpretations. The sad thing is, every real world belief would be insulted on some level and create more divisiveness.

    In this case, I have to believe LFL and Disney are too woke for this, and in this case it's certainly a good thing. If they missed this, I think it could be a pretty disastrous PR gaff on their part, but I really doubt they missed it.

    At best, Skywalker becomes a title of import within the new Jedi order. Most likely it's referring to Luke/and/or Anakin or Ben Solo. I'd say Leia, but I have to assume there wouldn't be enough footage specialized enough to include her in a final battle of this kind.
     
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    We knew that already.
     
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    Uhhm.... Thanks for your contribution?
     
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    Pretty good video on why Skywalker replacing Jedi doesn't work for me

     
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    I have heard a number of people say that Skywalker could be a title now - this theory is getting is getting popular with Star Wars people. I will go on record as saying this sounds like a terrible idea. We'll see though.

    The most likely explanation for the title is that the Skywalker is referring to Kylo (Ben). And honestly that's what I'm rooting for. Kylo is the most interesting character for me in the Sequel Trilogy.

    My dark horse theory is that after death Luke ascends to some higher state, thus the Rise of Skywalker. It's so nice to speculate again!
     
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    If they go this direction which I hope and don't think they will its easily more forgivable than symboiotic force microbes that you can run tests on.

    It feels way to strong a retcon. Luke declared himself a JEDI in ROTJ in a moment we are meant to be thrilled with. In TLJ he declares again to what is supposed to be cheers that he won't be the last Jedi.

    I know fans like to some how blame the Jedi and their dogma for the fall but the story still paints the Jedi as tragic heroes trying to do what is right. They are still the ideal.
     
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