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Will The Mandalorian be great with or without The Child?

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by Adam Burt, Dec 14, 2020.

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    I do believe Grogu will be back. Despite a great Luke scene, it was Din and Grogu's farewell that was emotionally moving for me. No matter what characters we are introduced to in the season, which is great, Din and Grogu are the heart of the show. We may not see Grogu by Din's side, but his presence will be felt in terms of Din coming to terms with the Child 's absence, the former''s evolving identity, the taking of Mandalore, but also the reason for extracting the child's blood. Remember that Gideon and Pershing are in New Republic's custody. There could be fall out because of that, too. I'm going off topic, but through a vision, something that happens in front of Din that trigger's a memory, his meetings with other Mandalorians , and established characters (e.g. Boba, Greef, Cara, The Armorer, maybe even Ahsoka) are going to bring up the absence of the child. So technically, he will be there in spirit.
     
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    As much as I like Grogu, it looks like Season 3 will take things in a new direction, which I am looking forward to. As others have mentioned, I would be very surprised if we didn't see Grogu again at some point. But for now, I actually think this will work in the show's favour. Aside from the pilot episode, we haven't really seen what Din is like without Grogu in his life; I'm curious to see how Din will develop as a character from this point on. It'll open up more opportunity to see his dynamics with the other characters play out.
     
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    I suppose they will meet again and the connection between the child and the Mandalorian will play a great role
     
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    I mostly agree, especially in how the show could've SHOWN more of Din and Grogu's bond (as opposed to mostly telling us), but I kinda feel as though, for two seasons now, the show has leaned on being action-driven or plot-driven, rather than allowing the dialogue be character-driven. I love the show, but I do hope there's more of a balance between the two in future seasons.

    I definitely agree that Grogu's presence was mostly to serve Din's character development, but I also think giving Grogu up was part of that too. He got to form an attachment, which, for someone like Din who shies away from any kind of attachment, it's pretty huge. I think the fact that it was a child is also important - having an interpersonal relationship with a kid is easier to navigate than you would with an adult. And since Grogu couldn't really talk, Din didn't really have to overextend himself or change all that much in caring and protecting for the child...with an adult, it's harder because you have two fully-formed people with different desires, wills and ideas that may clash and be more difficult to navigate to maintain a healthy relationship. That's why I think Grogu was sort of the "entry point" to Din having relationships with people, forming attachments and actually needing them in way that goes beyond simply protecting them or caring for them.

    I think Din would've been happy if it were just him and Grogu going on space adventures forever, but then Din, as a character, wouldn't really grow all that much. That's why I think Grogu leaving is best for the show because, if this series is about Din (not Din/Grogu), then Din can now open himself to mature and evolve in ways he didn't allow himself to before.

    As for Din's future now, action-wise, I think he'll be playing a huge part in finding and recruiting other Mandalorian coverts, including his own, because I do think reclaiming Mandalore is in the distant future. That way he can definitely do what you'd want to see - action, "hunting" and definitely more world-building.
     
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    Although I love the show-don't-tell nature of The Mandalorian, I do think season 2 suffered a bit from it. We are left to infer so much of Din's internal thoughts that it's hard to tell what Din is thinking about all the stuff that's thrown at him--and a lot was thrown at him in season 2. Stuff that would shatter his world. We learn a lot about how Din has grown emotionally as a person, but only in the capacity of a father. Where is he as a man? Where is he as a Mandalorian? We don't know, because although we don't expect Din to monologue, we might expect a scene that shows him alone, in which we can get a glimpse into how he's doing by how he acts. We might expect him to talk to another character he trusts, like Greef or Cara, about some things that have been going on--but nope.

    I really hope that in season 3 we get a lot more of what's going on with Din internally. I don't think we've seen the last of Grogu, but if/when they come back together again, I expect both of them will have done a lot of grown and changing in the meantime. I just hope that's not the only opportunity we're given to see that Din has done some rearranging of this thinking.
     
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    Grogu is such a prominent character in the series so it’s hard to imagine the show without him. But I have a hard time thinking of a reason for him to return since Luke found him. There’s always hope that we still see him in the upcoming seasons. I do think that the show can succeed without him though.
     
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    Grogu's barely more than a maguffin. The only difference between him and a maguffin is that he's a baby yoda and the audience has an existing relationship with little green jedi, so it matters as much to us as to the characters in the movie. The entire plot for S2 could quite easily have been about a quest to retrieve/return the darksaber, from beginning to end, in place of Grogu
     
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    This reminds me of Thumb Wars with R2D2 (BeBooBeep) projecting Leia (Princess Bunhead).
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree and will be shocked if Season 3 doesn't continue the adventures of Din AND GROGU -- even if they are still separated for a period of time.

    Reportedly, there are four seasons planned for The Mandalorian. Grogu may not be featured in every single episode, but I will be shocked if he doesn't continue to play a primary role in the next two seasons as he did the first two.
     
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    Imagine if they got Kylo Ren/Ben Solo to do it instead?
     
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    I mean the show will loose some popularity without the child because a lot of non-star wars fans or people who have little knowledge or care for it watch Mando just to see cute little “baby yoda” with that said, im sure there will be a new character to replace him. Grogu was really important to the plot because the whole show was built around him. So, now, a new plot will arrive with new characters. I imagine ahsoka will be pretty important. And is anybody going to talk about Grand Admiral Thrawn? He was mentioned by ahsoka. So maybe he is pretty big in the next season or 2.
     
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    I think it can be better. The child was acting as a crutch and holding the series back. I look forward to season 3
     
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    Ashoka & Grand Admiral Thrawn ( If he shows up) will be dealt with in the Ashoka series.
    I can see The Mandalorian focusing on Mandalore & maybe the remaining Imperial presence in the outer rim territories.
     
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    I see. I would love a live action thrawn! And yeah, if mando got involved with mandalore and its history, I would be happy. I also want to see some Luke and Grogu stuff ya know. :)
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    Thats a good point.
     
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    My understanding is that Jon Favreau, with the help of Dave Filoni, crafted out a four-season story arc from the very beginning. If this is true -- and I have no reason to believe it isn't -- then you don't hire an actor of the caliber of Pedro Pascal to play your lead character if he's going to be hidden 95% of the time. I think the plan all along was for the first half of the series to be helmeted with the Mando arc being Loner Bounty Hunter to caring father -- leading up to the big emotional reveals in S2:E7 and S2:E8.

    I suspect the focus of Seasons 3 and 4 being will be on Loner Bounty Hunter to King -- featuring Din's new 'Bo-Katan-like Mandalorian' approach to wearing his helmet. This will allow the showrunners to successfully answer your questions, Choose Light.

    That said, I don't think we've seen the last of Baby Grogu in Seasons 3 or 4.
     
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    Nice. I think 4 seasons is perfect. Not too much so content doesn’t become dry and not too little so that the content is barren.
     
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    Like most everybody else, I was initially super-sad to see our dynamic duo split up. But that said, given that there is reportedly a time jump between Seasons 2 and 3, I don't think we've seen the last of Baby Grogu. I have no doubt the little guy will play an important role in the final two seasons of the show.

    But this said, I saw a doctored image/painting in another thread here that suddenly crystalized, in my mind anyway, where the show is going. The photo was a LOTR-styled picture of Din bowing his head as he was being crowned king.

    In the first two seasons, we watched a loner bounty hunter Mandalorian of the cultish Watch evolve into a caring father. In the next two seasons, I suspect we'll watch this once-time loner bounty hunter evolve further into becoming the King of Mandalore. Now that Din has shown his face, I suspect we'll see much more of Pedro Pascal in the last two seasons. You don't hire an actor of Pedro's credentials if you are going to cover his face for the entirety of the show's four-season run.

    As I said at the beginning, I suspect we'll still see Baby Grogu, but Din's evolution from loner to King is going to be a lot of fun.
     
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    (yoda 2)"Yes. The Adventures of Baby Clone-Yoda, This Space-Western, Is Not."(yoda 2)
     
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    Lol. Baby yoda’s clone. There is another lol
     
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    The 'Word on the Webs' is that there will be a significant time jump between Seasons 2 and 3. To me, this signals that Grogu won't be gone long.

    My guess is that Mando will get into some hot water in Season 3 and -- like Luke did to Yoda in ESB -- Grogu will interrupt his training and leave Luke in order to go help his Dad.
     
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