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SPECULATION Will the Prequels and their history play a part in The Last Jedi?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lord Skywalker, Sep 24, 2017.

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Will they or their history play a part in the plot/lore of TLJ?

  1. Yes, a lot

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  2. Yes, just a little bit

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  3. No factor at all

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    19.4%
  1. Lord Skywalker

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    We know that Rian Johnson is a fan of the Prequels and a staunch defender of that trilogy, but will he incorporate any lore into The Last Jedi? We know thematically there are some design elements that he appears to have used from official info we have.

    I will list what I personally think would be the most to least likely possibilities Rian may have incorporated into the film.

    Bit of a caveat, I do NOT believe that Luke wants to be done with it all, or went crazy. I believe Luke is biding his time and went to Ahch-To to look for a way to fight Snoke and is upset Rey is there because he knows he's been discovered and is not ready to face Snoke yet, but the loss of Han Solo, his nephew and Leia being in trouble did have a mental impact on him.

    1.) Most likely IMO: I believe Rey will get angry with Luke in the beginning and will ask Luke about his and Kylo's history and Luke will explain to Rey - Kylo's and his history and explain that Vader is his father Anakin Skywalker and dwell into Anakin's history a bit and explain the Chosen One prophecy or will talk about the old Jedi Order and why they were flawed. I believe this is most likely since they have been telling us that we will be learning about "Age old mysteries of the Force" and while Luke was travelling the galaxy finding Jedi Lore he stumbled upon the Jedi's history and he is very knowledgeable, this could be Luke directly speaking to Rey about this or inducing a Force back vision with him showing Rey the events of the PT. I personally would love it if Luke explained to Rey how Palpatine corrupted Anakin and how he (Luke) saved his father from the Dark Side and how this could be used to save Kylo Ren from the Dark Side.

    2.) Force Ghost of an Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan and/or Anakin Skywalker, Yoda communing with Luke and/or Rey, explaining why the Jedi were wrong and why Rey, with Luke's help, will fix the problems the Jedi of old had.

    3.) probably least likely - Snoke discussing Anakin Skywalker and the Chosen One Prophecy to Kylo and why Luke thought Kylo was the Chosen One. I consider this to be far-fetched because we know Snoke blames Vader's redemption and the fact he couldn't kill Luke for why the Empire fell and the Jedi rose again.
     
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    I'd love for them to incorporate the PT in some meaningful way. Which is why I'm a big #TeamPlagueis advocate.
     
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    INTERIOR : LUKE'S HUT - ARCH-TO - NIGHT

    Luke to Rey: "Obi-Wan & Yoda were wrong.... all wrong... The Force is nothing mystical... The books have taught me a great deal"
    Rey: "What is The Force?"
    Luke: "Midichlorians count determines your Force power"
    Rey: "Midi....whaaat?"
    Luke: " Give me your arm, it won't hurt, I have to run a test"
     
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    Didn't Disney not want anything to do with the PT? That aside, I'd love to see connections, ANY connections, to the PT.
     
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    I can already imagine the ensuing riots in the theaters if that happened. In all seriousness though, there is no way on earth that midicholrians get mentioned again in canon.
     
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    I'd legit throw my hands up, walk out, go to McDonalds and have a big mac, then go home and cry myself to sleep if that happened.
     
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    Well if Disney wants to avoid the word "Midi-Chlorian" till the sun blows up they must do the following.

    Never involve a story line of people experimenting on the force.

    Never mention the light side well spring Force Planet.

    Never show a manmade mechanism that can detect the Force.

    Or retcon them saying they in fact have nothing 2 do with the Force.
     
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    INTERIOR : LUKE'S HUT - ARCH-TO - NIGHT

    Luke to Rey: "You want to know how I got my Force powers Rey?"
    Rey: " Please tell me"
    Luke: " A long time ago, a great Jedi Master named Yoda made me a Soup made of Force Tree roots. You see, they are filled with great nutrients and Midichlorians"
    Rey: "Can you make me a soup like that, Master Luke"
    Luke: "Sleep well and tomorrow morning, we'll search for fresh ingredients on the island."
     
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    Actually when you think about it they could be mentioned in the Last Jedi. If Luke is talking about wanting to end the Jedi, it would make sense that midichlorians and the old Jedi's way of thinking would be abandoned.

    The Jedi in the prequels were drifting to far from the force. Rather than discover it naturally, they use machines to discover the force. This definitely seems like the Jedi aren't following the force, but instead getting caught up on the scientific aspect of the force that isn't a necessary aspect of the force.

    There's also the fact that Luke proved the Jedi wrong that Vader could be redeemed despite everyone telling him he was wrong for even trying. So yes I suppose it would make sense for midichlorians to get a mention, if it's used as a way to show how the Jedi must evolve after the events of the old trilogy.
     
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    At the very least a little bit. I really, REALLY believe that we are going to find out how more accurate that Qui-Gon was about the Force than any of the Masters of his time. I really believe that where Luke is now is where Qui-Gon would have been and had Obi-Wan if he hadn't been consistently hamstrung by the Jedi Code.
     
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    We're at the first Jedi Temple, with potentially the Journal of the Whills, amongst other things.

    How they wouldn't delve a bit deeper into the Prophecy of the Chosen One is beyond me.
     
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    Or they can just completely ignore it like they're already doing.

    As for will Rian incorporating any PT, he has already stated one thing he won't and that's politics.
     
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    did you ever hear the tragedy...
     
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    ...of Darth plagius the wise? Lol
     
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    I think it would be appropriate for Qui-Gon Jinn to be name-dropped in a conversation about the problems with viewing the Force only in black and white terms. He is the series' original Skeptic Jedi, after all. He recognized the Jedi Order's inadequacies.

    It's a shame that his scene with Yoda in ROTS was deleted. The casual mention of him at the end was so unsatisfying.

    "Oh by the way Qui-Gon figured out how to come back from the dead."
     
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    “Goooooooooood!”
     
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    I don't see a future of this mythos where midi-chlorians are written out of existence or are ignored.
     
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    I honestly never understood the hissy fits over midichlorians. It doesn't really change anything.
     
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    I think it could serve the story in a very meaningful way and that's not only for The Last Jedi but also Episode IX. Mostly what I present is story ideas on how you could incorporate the Prequel Trilogy into the remainder of the Sequel Trilogy.

    1. Snoke is Plagueis. This could be used to add levity to Anakin's origins and the line in Tarkin from Palpatine remarking his Master once stated "the Force can strike back", what if the Force struck back at him and Palpatine for trying to create the Chosen One?

    2. In the same novel we have Palpatine discuss the planner and prophet his Master had been. What better way to show these planning skills by having him like in Legends be the one who influenced Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas to place the order for the Clone Army? We also know from Ulimate Star Wars, a canon reference book, that Palpatine had a conversation with a Hego Damask. This was Plagueis' real name in Legends and his family had significant funds from being part of the Banking Clan. This being one of the same in canon could explain how the First Order has the resources that they do.

    All together, you don't have to give every detail but enough to know Snoke is Plagueis and was responsible for Anakin's origins. This could be part of a ploy of how he could have swayed Ben to join him, pushing Rey towards walking the tightrope between the Light and Dark, or the many other possibilities this could add in conflict for these characters. On the other side with the Sifo-Dyas mystery being revealed and perhaps even a rallying on Finn's part of bringing the First Order together with the Resistance and perhaps Jedi, you bring clarity to each side has been set up against each other from the very beginning. While on the Darth Plagueis side of things you have his Grand Plan of having different Masters train different sectors of the Knights of Ren in the Unknown Regions until the time becomes right to reveal these true intentions. Perhaps even with the help of King Prana and the different gangs. This and immorality are his true objectives. It would ulimately give redemption to those that fought all those years as they were all deceived by the true supreme intellect.
     
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    I believe that Rian would definitely refer to prequels if his story called for it. He stated that he rewatched both PT and OT multiple times when writing TLJ, so the big picture of all 6 films was definitely in his mind. I voted "just a little bit" because I don't think there will be anything Plagueis size and the possibility of Ewan or Hayden appearing is less than 30% IMO. I think there's a good chance of the idea of the Chosen One and the Balance of the Force being explored, which actually would be a big deal, but not something that would overshadow Sequel Trilogy's own story (which should be the priority).

    As for midi-chlorians, "banning" them would be just stupid. LFL and associated creators shouldn't feel intimidated by hysterical fans who can't handle any interference with their personal imagining of SW universe. George's vision >>>>> fans' opinions.
     
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