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SPECULATION Will there be a StarKiller Base 2.0 in EP9?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Rogues1138, Mar 16, 2018.

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Will StarKiller Base return?

  1. Yes

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  2. NO

    22 vote(s)
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  3. A new threat?

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  4. JJ will focus on Rey and Kylo

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  5. Have you lost your mind?

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  6. You're way off dude

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  1. Rogues1138

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    That depends on, if episode 9 starts right after 8 which I doubt. There has to be a couple of years between 8-9 in order for the Resistance re-group. Then Renperor and Hux may have some new plans for them.
     
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    There's not much they could do that would be stupider than what was done in TLJ but a second Starkiller base (or any other version of the Death Star) would be so pathetic that it could actually be worse than TLJ. I sincerely hope JJ is at least smart enough to know not to do that.
     
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    No
     
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    "In TLJ novelization Hux ponders about the possibility of a dozen or a hundred Star Killer Bases after his victory."

    hundred of Starkiller Base in Episode 9.
     
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    To be honest I have had enough of Death Stars and similar copies and the main goal is to hit the weak point and bang it goes boom. I voted for the choice that was JJ will focus on Rey and Kylo because I feel now since the TLJ they have a great connection and it would be a waist for that to not be used since the build up.
     
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    I can see Disney and Lucasfilm WANTING to do yet another superweapon, but realizing they can't get away with it.

    TFA was pretty much a remake of ANH. TLJ remade elements of Empire AND Jedi. It was almost like 2/3rds of the way through TLJ they finished retelling the OT and were now blazing a new trail. Wouldn't it be nice if JJ follows that trajectory and does something new for the final installment?

    Not that I would bet on it, but it would be nice.
     
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    "World Devastators"

    We know FO is capable to build big ships like Dreadnoughts. I would love to see these gigantic superweapons which appeared in Dark Empire 1991-1992 Comics, destroying the planets in E9 that will give support to the New Resistance through the galaxy.
    Could be some kind of enormous water drainers like those appeared in Oblivion movie (btw an underrated visionary and great film).
    World_Dev.jpg
     
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    Dark Empire is so cool. That' s a good idea and it is a little different than the Death Stars and the Starkiller base. But I hope the focus will remain in Rey and Kylo protagonism...I dont think they will return with another big weapon for IX.
     
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    There has to be a weapon. A good option would be a “portable” massive black hole swallowing those unruly planets in the outer rim :)
     
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    no point considering the First Order reign lol
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    Could be some kind of enormous water drainers like those appeared in Oblivion movie (btw an underrated visionary and great film).
    agreed oblivion is underrated
     
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    My misses calls me a pessimist (i say realist) , but even i'm not so pessimistic to think they would actually be so stupid as to do something like a Starkiller base or god forbid another Death Star in Episode 9.
     
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    Oblivison's biggest flaw yet greatest thing it had was Tom Cruise. Needed more God....i mean Freeman.
     
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    Maybe the FO will try to reactivate some ancient superweapon, like the Star Forge created by the Rakatans in legends..... especially since Rakata Prime is canon.
     
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    I voted yes and here's why.

    Firstly, it could be another kind of superweapon, but even if it is a flat out DS, after seeing Rogue One, we now know that the 1st DS was intentially flawed/sabotaged, the second one was designed differently to appear incomplete, which opened up weaknesses (that they thought Endor base resovled).

    This time have a fully complete DS, no weaknesses or sabotage. Eye rolling will happen, sure, but nostalgia will be in there too.

    Now TLJ showed us two things that were unprecedented. Hyperspace Ram and Force Illusion projection. To defeat this DS, starfighters won't cut it, they have to knock out its shileds from the inside (force projection) and hyperspace ram it. Around that story line, they can have an ambiguous Kylo Ben helping them but change his mind at a weakened Rey. They can have Leia amassing support off screen and be the one to make the Hyperspace Ram sacrifice, this could be the pivotal point for Kylo/Ben.

    This isn't a prediction, but I'm just saying the DS or similar weapons are still usable, they only have to be used differently, be defeated differently.

    Edit: Force ghosts can possibly even get involved in the new super weapon's demise.
     
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    Here's my thought- Kylo Ren clearly wasn't a huge fan of SKB, much like Vader wasn't a big fan of the Death Star. It would be out of his character to build one, and frankly, it appears he doesn't even need to.

    I think it would be much more interesting to see a faction of the Rebels/Resistance resort to building one instead, out of desperation. That's a moral quandary we haven't seen much of

    outside of Sabine's stormtrooper killing weapon (which by the way, probably would have saved tons of lives...)
     
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    A DS would be more of a Hux thing I think.

    I can't see Hux and Kylo getting along without Hux getting killed, so it stands to reason there's a decent enough chance they'll split into factions.

    I do like the idea of the Resistance making one though.
     
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    True, Hux would make sense.

    Heck, I could see that psychopath making a galaxy destroyer (but please don't do that LFL, that would be silly).
     
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    I really hope there isn’t another Death Star/Starkiller Base. How many times can they do the same thing?
     
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    Darth Basin The Greatest Oblivion's biggest flaw yet greatest thing it had was Tom Cruise. Needed more God....i mean Freeman.
    yep love freeman in pretty much anything. the premise was such a clever twist on the alien invasion concept.
     
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    While history, as long as people forget it or refuse to learn from it, does seem to get repeated, even in the Star Wars galaxy, I'd personally prefer it if they took this beyond technology and towards the ultimate Light vs. Darkness conflict, something based on the Force itself.

    To that end, I have previously proposed, on this forum, that Kylo Ren be the thing which must be overcome, but in a way that does separate him from Vader and Emperor Palpatine, taking Kylo to a level he thought Vader would have reached had Vader not been stopped.

    One scene I mentioned to support this was an opening scene, wherein we see a Star Destroyer descending toward Mustafar, where the scene shifts to Vader's castle there and Kylo using the Dark Side of the Force to demonstrate his sheer power over the First Order, which he feels he no longer needs.

    At this point, years after The Last Jedi, he has become powerful enough to rule the galaxy from Mustafar, having learned and amplified his powers/reach, perhaps, from Sith holocrons found in Vader's castle and/or Snoke's secret archives of Dark Side lore.

    This would make the already shaky First Order truly subservient to him while also substantiating Kylo as the true Supreme Leader.

    Rey, then, would really be the only true deterrent, and her conflicts with Kylo go deep into the Force, where they confront each other through Force visions and thoughts.

    Their ability to read each other's mind could make them formidable, if not nearly unbeatable opponents.

    Force Ghost Luke could then, perhaps with the aid of other Force Ghosts, educate Rey enough to help her have some cognitive advantage over Kylo, such that should could confront the Ben Solo within him and inspire him forth, much as Luke did with Anakin.

    Then the conflict could ultimately come down to "human vs. itself," which is already a thing between the competing personalities of Kylo Ren and Ben Solo.

    In one example scenario, Rey could appeal to him, showing him visions of Ben with his father, while Kylo might attempt to emphasize Rey's abandonment, showing her parents selling her off on Jakku.

    Meanwhile, perhaps Finn also manages to "awaken" the Stormtroopers and other First Order members from their mind-control state, causing them to renounce the First Order, leaving only a few, perhaps Hux being one of them, to stick around, however vainly, to cling to a power which is quickly fading.

    In this way, as I see it, the conflict has a chance to move substantially beyond the previous iterations of mostly militaristic "victories" and could impel all sides to engage their adversaries in mind and spirit.

    To put it another way, if there is SKB2 (in reality, DS4), then we'd simply see a reiteration of the endings found in Episode I, IV, VI, and VII. I think that would only serve to demonstrate a temporary victory of the Resistance/Rebellion over the First Order, with future conflicts and suffering almost certainly assured.

    But, if Episode IX is meant to be the end of the Skywalker saga, and if the intention is to have a majorly meaningful and lasting ending which could theoretically inspire many generations of peace and light-side Force sensitives, then, I think my Force-based proposal above could be more rewarding than simply another grand space conflict.

    Above all, I would love to come away from IX with the sense that all the events, from the Prequels forward, lead up to a point where it came down the power of Light over the Dark Side, and the light prevailing, not with a "bang" but a sigh of relief and the knowledge this time it will be different because all those who have fought and survived up to that point will have stood the chance to vanquish the Darkness in themselves and win without defeat.

    Not necessarily the most visually stunning way to wrap it up, I admit, but, if we're going for deeper meaning and lasting values, maybe this proposal could be promising =)
     
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