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SPECULATION Will we see Finn's awakening in the Force?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ResistanceFleet#02, Dec 21, 2015.

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What will Finn do that will awaken the force within him?

  1. He will save Poe from Phasma

    31.9%
  2. He will save a X-wing pilot

    8.5%
  3. He will engage a fight with Phasma and force push her helmet off

    4.3%
  4. He will run into Kylo Ren again without Rey there

    40.4%
  5. He will use the force to pull his gun towards himself

    14.9%
  1. ResistanceFleet#02

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    That is like saying that Tommy, and the other power rangers in Power Rangers Turbo had to die so there torch could be passed
     
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    Is Finn FS? Many posters have proffered their thoughts on the matter. Some say that he is, while others are convinced that he is not. In my opinion, drawing a conclusion on Finn's abilities - or lack thereof - seems premature given that we won't get a definitive answer for quite some time (May 2017).
    Moreover a somewhat panoptic review of the film (I don't discuss everything I unearthed for the sake of brevity), Alan Dean Foster's novelization of the film as well as Greg Rucka's Before The Awakening support both theories as can be seen below.

    Why Finn is not FS
    “[Finn] was, as far as the training cadre and his peers were concerned, one of the best stormtroopers anyone had ever seen. He was everything their instructors wanted—loyal, dutiful, brave, smart, and strong. Whatever the test, whatever the evaluation, FN-2187 consistently scored in the top 1 percent. So he was FN-2187, well on his way to becoming the ideal First Order stormtrooper." [PAGE 9 Excerpt From: Greg Rucka. “Star Wars: Before the Awakening."]

    "While Finn performs at the top of his combat classes, the ever-present First Order propaganda never really takes hold in his heart [PAGE 20 Excerpt From: Star Wars TFA Visual Dictionary].

    “FN-2187,” Phasma said, “has the potential to be one of the finest stormtroopers I have ever seen.”
    (General Hux)“From what I just observed, Captain, I agree.” [PAGE 16 Excerpt From: Greg Rucka. “Star Wars: Before the Awakening."]


    ---------> These passages are significant because they highlight how skilled Finn is as warrior (and believe me, there are many many many more); more importantly, they show that General Hux and Captain Phasma are both aware of his talents. Now assuming that the First Order tests all its soldiers for an affinity to the force like the Empire did (as can be seen from Star Wars Rebels: Breaking Ranks), it's unlikely that Finn's force abilities would not have been detected, especially given his notoriety.

    In fact it would appear that Finn has been evaluated in some capacity as “ut so far, there was nothing. Nothing to suggest that FN-2187 might one day go rogue. Nothing to indicate he was anything other than a representative of his kind, no different from his comrades. Nothing to distinguish him as a person, as a soldier, as an exception.” [Page 101 Excerpt From: Alan Dean Foster. “The Force Awakens (Star Wars).”]


    Why Finn is FS
    Interestingly enough, Foster's book and the film diverge in several (important aspects, but I digress). Finn can somehow hear the cries of terror from the people in the Hosnian system as they're about to be destroyed by the Starkiller Base weapon (not discussed in the book in any capacity whatsoever). Upon hearing those screams, he looks up at the sky and notices the red beams of light. It seems - to me - that no one near Maz's castle was screaming, so where did the screams come from?

    “ Surprising them all, she handed the weapon not to Han or Chewbacca, “but to Finn. “Your friend is in grave danger. Take it—and find Rey.” [Page 264-265 Excerpt From: Alan Dean Foster. “The Force Awakens (Star Wars).” ]
    ------> This passage could admittedly support both theories. On the one hand, Maz gave Finn the saber because she was aware of the feelings that Rey and Finn have each other, (the book is much more explicit than the film on that front) so she likely believed that Rey would accept her destiny if Finn gave it to her. On the other hand, it is possible that Maz - being FS herself (PAGE 72 Star Wars TFA Visual Dictionary) - sensed something special about him.


    “ “Oh wow…I see something else now.”
    “See what?” Finn asked.
    “I see the eyes of a warrior.” [PAGE 277 Excerpt From: Alan Dean Foster. “The Force Awakens (Star Wars).”]
    -----> Like above, this passage supports both theories. One does not need to be FS in order to be a warrior or to display heroic abilities. Nevertheless when read in its entire context, I think it suggests that Finn has finally accepted his destiny to fight against the First Order.


    “Lost my blaster. I need a weapon.”
    Displaying surprising strength for one so small, Maz grabbed the wrist holding the lightsaber and raised it up. “You have one!”[PAGE 270 Excerpt From: Alan Dean Foster. “The Force Awakens (Star Wars).”]
    -------> Non-FS individuals wielding lightsabers has been depicted several times in the (now) SW canon universe (EG. Han Solo in ESB, Chewbacca in the Star Wars comics, General Grievous in ROTS, etc.), so Finn wielding a lightsaber doesn't necessarily imply that he is FS. However, it's important to take into consideration the fact that Maz is no ordinary person; she's FS. She likely sensed that Finn had an affinity to the force. A counter-argument to this possibility is the issue of urgency. Stormtroopers are everywhere, killing people left and right. Perhaps Maz simply had more pressing concerns than looking for a weapon.

    (+ many other points that have been omitted for sake of brevity)


    Conclusion
    In sum, Finn may be either FS or not, but it's not possible to make conclusive determinations at this point. We'll have to wait until May 2017).

    Friendly Reminder that it's possible to be FS and not be a jedi (eg Maz Kanata, Luke before he defeated Vader, etc.)
     
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    Kylo- "join me Rey and together we can rule the galaxy, I will train you in the darkside and we will have unlimited powah."
    Rey- "Train me? I kicked your but using the lightside with zero training, both you and the darkside don't seem all that powerful."

    BTW I want finn tobe a jedi. I don't want Luke to only train one jedi. But Pablo Hidalgo keeper of lore within the star wars universe said that Finn didn't hear the hosnian prime screams he heard screams from people at maz's castle.
     
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    I'd go so far to say it's obvious Finn is force sensitive.

    There are many reasons, but one I think is pretty telling is his placement in the story. In every trilogy there has always been more than one force carrying protagonist. And this one calls for it even more. There are 7 KoR and Snoke. There ain't no way Luke can train Rey and defeat all these guys without causing pacing issues.

    Also, what can Finn give to the Resistance that Poe can't? Intel?

    Even if he becomes a commander in the Resistance SWs is an adventure story, and the war is just the backdrop. That title will have no bearing on his story and won't bar him from a greater destiny.
     
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    No, because Finn isn't Force Sensitive. Not even a little bit. ;)
     
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    I take everything this guy says with a grain of salt. There ain't no way he'd undercut the story as it happens with Disney watching. So doubt he'd be honest even if he did give an answer.

    No one was screaming on Takodona because there was no reason to. What was happening was light years away and no one knew about SK base until Finn told them. So why would they scream?

    That's like people screaming at a UFO. You have to assume a lot about it before you have that type of emotion.
     
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    Their will definitely be an awakening since he ended the movie asleep....but my best guess is if he is FS it will either be

    1 Triggered by him awakening from the coma and he may walk around unaware of ituntil some event makes it clear....OR

    2.Like in the movie and some EU books he may come into contact with some special Jedi object or place and has a vision or sees a Jedi ghost.

    Just guesses no idea what the plan for Finn is...hopefully their IS a plan.
     
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    Maz is not a Jedi, certainly not a Jedi Master. She cannot train what she has not mastered.
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    He will die...and there will be a handoff--to Rey. But this trilogy is about Luke Skywalker (JJ Abrams: Who is Luke Skywalker?), as much as it is about Rey. I do not understand why people continue to see Finn as a potential Jedi--if the Force did not "awaken" in Finn by now, its not going to.
     
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    Because his fate is up in the air, he's a major character, and his character is a weird one.

    And what do you mean "by now"? 66.66666666% of the series is unknown to us. a bigger question is, why did they build a connection between Rey and Finn so early in the series if their fates are radically separate?

    I think TFA sets up the seeds for a partnership that be central to the plot. The seeds of a Jedi Order.
     
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    I feel that, To a degree, finn is an example of how disney/lucas film will move forward with the star wars universe.
    They wish to restore a bit of the mystery and wonder to The Force.

    While finn may or may not be able to "use the force", i think he was "used by the force". Or, in other words, he had an awakening during the jakku attack, and even later when hosnian system was destroyed.
    He was chosen by the cosmic power that "binds us all together" to defect, to be on this journey with rey.

    Will he become a jedi? Who knows.

    I think the point is, the new trilogy will remind us again and again, that the force isn't just jedi and sith.
    They will remind us of obi-wan's first words about the force in ANH. That it surrounds us all and binds us together.
    Jedi can impose their will on the force. But, the force can impose its will as well.
    You don't have to be FS to have felt its effects in your life.

    (Also why there are new characters like Maz and Tekka in the film, to allude to those who know and honor the force, and those who use it in ways we have not seen before in star wars...)
     
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    ^ ^ Yeah, i wrote that post above on monday, and on tuesday SWNN posted an editorial about how TFA is restoring the mysticism of the force.
    They totally stole my thunder. Jk. :cool:
     
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    i dont want him to be awakened in the force..... we don't need everyone to be force sensitive, Think it will be far more intresting watching Finn adjust to life after a been a storm trooper, rather then watching another character been awakened to the force....
     
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    I hope that he's a force user. Alongside being either Lando's son or a relative of Mace Windu. Relative of Windu would be nice. But anything other than just a redeemed janitor.
     
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    I've been following this thread with great interest and I have a question for everyone:

    If Finn doesn't end up a force user, will it ruin the Sequel Trilogy for you?
    If so, why?

    For me, it won't ruin the trilogy because Finn is a great character regardless of whether or not he becomes a Jedi. Han, Chewie and Lando were all great characters without being a Jedi.

    On the flip side, if Finn does end up being a Force user...great, it will add another layer of complexity to an interesting character.
     
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    Honestly? It depends on what they do with him. A character's greatness can't really be planned. . .just look at TR-8R. He's only in the movie for a few seconds, gets merced, and people love him for his sick spins.

    Anyway, it's hard for me to accept that Finn isn't a force user because of hints, and I'd hate it if he wasn't because that will confirm that marketing was playing with the character, which I don't like.
     
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    There again is, the eisegesis of your entire argument for Finn being Force sensitive. You see things that are simply not there, because its how you wish for things to be. Therefore, if things do not turn out like you want them, then things do not make sense. That is why you cannot measure a movie that has made a record amount of money and received glowing reviews a success, because it did not develop a character in the way that you thought that they should.

    How about seeing things for the way that things are: that this trilogy is about who is Luke Skywalker (JJ Abrams), about the legacy of the Skywalkers (Kathleen Kennedy), and that the character Finn, while hilarious, admirable and courageous, is not Force sensitive. Newsflash: there probably will not be anyone else Force sensitive either, because the whole plot of Episode VII was about the Force awakening. If the Force did not awaken in Finn in the Episode titled, The Force Awakens, then it stands to reason that it probably never will.
     
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    Ever heard of projection?

    You probably haven't considering it seems to be your favorite technique. In other words, the same is true for you. If there was evidence, and there is, you wouldn't see it. You'd have an explanation at the ready to protect your bias. The only difference is, I acknowledge the possibility that I'm wrong. I'm sure you wouldn't do that same considering the strong definite language you're using in this post.

    You seem awfully confident about what part Finn doesn't play despite 66.6% of the story not being told. I guess you have answers as to why Finn broke a much talked about conditioning, why Maz insists he uses a lightsaber, why he seemingly hears the explosions of Hosnian Prime before they actually happen. Why Kylo senses him. Why Maz cares so much about whether he runs or not.

    You may not consider these clues, but even you could acknowledge that they are curiosities. Well, maybe you couldn't. That's be too much like yielding to the possibility.

    And what does a film's success has to do with anything? This is about story.

    JJ himself said that there are questions they put into the film, that it's left open. So excuse me if I look at the curiosities for what they are.


    Thanks, Larry Kasdan. Oh wait. . .you're just some dude on a forum who knows the same amount as everyone else.

    And what you argue in red goes against the premise of the story as positied by the first installment. This entire story is about the propagation of Jedi. It's why Rey is on Jedi planet, it why she and Finn were getting chased around the galaxy. Did you get up for the bathroom every time Snoke opened his mouth? Because how else could you miss his motive?

    -----------

    What I find interesting is I was just answering a guys question, and you took it as a declaration of some kind.
     
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    From stormtrooper to jedi is too much for 1 character. And his character does NOT need it. He shined in 7 without it.
     
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    EDIT meant to auto dp.
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    Is it? Going for stormtrooper to footsoldier isn't much of growth. And it's not like Kyle Katarn didn't exist.
     
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