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SPECULATION Will we see Finn's awakening in the Force?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by ResistanceFleet#02, Dec 21, 2015.

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What will Finn do that will awaken the force within him?

  1. He will save Poe from Phasma

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  2. He will save a X-wing pilot

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  3. He will engage a fight with Phasma and force push her helmet off

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  4. He will run into Kylo Ren again without Rey there

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  5. He will use the force to pull his gun towards himself

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  1. Trooper212

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    What doe the actor being British-Nigerian have to do with anything, people still consider him black just like people consider Daisy Ridley white. Besides, what proof do you have that he wasn't written to be a Jedi, do you know the writers personally?
     
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    Not going to deny I'm invested in it. I also don't particularly disagree with your assessment here. Although, I'm more inclined to believe the movie(s) is/are about both of them.

    As far as my investment into his force sensitivity, it's mostly because the majority opinion on the internet seems to have consensually decided to regulate him to just a Han Solo type and have decided the whole thing is about Rey. It's almost like everyone, including myself, went into the movie only to see what they wanted to see in it.
     
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    My point is people want the background of the actor to determine what role he should have in the movie. One side says there has to be a black Jedi because some people who like Star Wars are black. Other people say there can't be a black Jedi for...reasons. Looking through the art book when Finn was portrayed as a white guy they mainly mention how he was suppose to be a stormtrooper who switched sides. That was the most important part of the Finn character. After the character was created they went with a British-Nigerian actor. I doubt they changed Finn's role just because of who ended up playing him. If the plan for his story arc was to become a Jedi then he will become a Jedi. If the plan was for him to become a non-Force using hero of the Resistance than that is what he'll become.
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    Yeah I think the trilogy is about Rey, Finn, and Kylo Ren. The main difference between the three I think is Ren and Rey will portrayed as conflicted. Ren obviously. But Rey reminds me more of Anakin than Luke and I think the next couple movies will have Snoke try to turn Rey and Rey trying to resist the dark side. Finn however will be more like Luke kind of the moral center of the light side. He won't be conflicted and if he has any short comings it will be wanting to save his friends.
     
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    I agree with this. From what I've read John Boyega said JJ Abrams told him he was the new star of Star Wars even with that you hardly see anyone talking about Finn's arc. The vast majority of threads I see are people talking about Rey. So no people seem to be invested in his character or arc except here. This is one of the reasons why I want him to be a Jedi. His story doesn't really seem to be so interesting to people as it is, making him a soldier or something similar would only further put it in people's mind that he's a glorified sidekick rather than the co-lead of the films.
     
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    Yoda?
    What was the significance to you in the Obi death? the sacrifice, warriors death or something i haven't though of?
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    i think from what we have seen so far, his new role is undefined and we get a sense of that too? he was a trained soldier, now he has inadvertently become part of the resistance struggle. This is probably the start of a character arc that could be interesting to find out about?
     
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    The problem is, tho, as I said. People are regulating, Finn, Rey and Poe to Old Trilogy stereotypes and not allowing for their potential to be seen. Rey, so far, has been the one showing the most superficial development. However, character wise, she has a long journey. Everyone says there's no proof of Finn's force sensitivity, but they're leading with their bias and double standards when they allow for the same flimsy proof to pass for other characters. Not specifically talking about Rey here, but all throughout the Star Wars universe. The only thing missing for Finn is a character specifically saying he's force sensitive and seeing him utilize the force akin to a Jedi or Sith. That's all, everything else is the same qualifying things we've seen for Luke, Anakin, and Rey before they went full on force user. Still tho, everyone is more focused on Rey, primarily because 1) she utilized the force and 2) all of the speculation from the rumor mills running around that she's related to Luke somehow. Which elevates to believing she will be the only force user in the trilogy.
     
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    I think this is from a lack of creativity on the fan's part, which isn't helped by the conservatism in TFA. But I'm sure VIII is going to be radically different from anything we know, including in the dealings of the Force.
     
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    Honestly, the script makes how they made that scene even weirder. Hearing a lasery or shockwavey sound makes it make a lot more sense what was going on. Hell, having the two aliens who's ship he's loading turn their heads makes it more obvious. It kinda leads me to wonder if it was just weird editing or what, because yeah.

    Honestly I kinda feel like they wanted it to be open and just leave it to the next director/writer to figure out how he wants to go. I think Finn being force sensitive would be cool, but he could be cool as a non-force sensitive dude too, as long as they add things to him. Going from soldier for the First Order to Soldier for the good guys isn't really much of a change, but having him be say, the liberator of the storm troopers would be a cool as hell thing.
     
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    I'd rather Finn be Force sensitive, but NOT become a Jedi.
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    See, that would be cool, but the Finn we saw in the movie, isn't the same one from the books. Movie Finn doesn't care about the Stormtroopers whatsoever, despite being one himself.
     
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    To cover some basics. The force awakens does what is not uncommon, but not exactly common either. It separates its main character from its protagonist. Finn is the protagonist of VII it is his actions that at every key point propel the story forward and cause other character to react to him. Rey is the main character.

    We last left Finn in a Coma in VII. So why is this important.

    A coma is a device that allows the director, Johnson to explore Finns past, his parents that he does not remember, and other things. it also allows them to wake up Finn a different character than he was when he left. Perhaps force spirits will contact him when he is unconscious, perhaps he will gain force abilities, new found force abilities.

    Either way I suspect Finn to be in a sort of cocoon. He will wake up a butterfly, but when? To me this device appears chosen by Johnson for some reason. It will be revealed in the plot.

    we are fairly certain Rey and Ren will go back and finish or start training. We will learn more about snoke, and Phasma, in particular with Finn. The key and the mystery however is what happens to Finn.
     
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    I agree as far as Finn propelling the story. Don't get your hopes up. IMO it would be wise to prepare for which ever way Rian Johnson has taken his character. It's not that I didn't think that you hit on some good points; you did. But nothing in TFA drive's it home as far as Finn being force sensitive. I'm even willing to put my own views of the Finn Jakku sequence at the beginning of the film in neutral.
     
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    I hope this will not be done to justify his duel with Kylo Ren. Some folks have a real bugaboo about that but I thought it was great! He fought a dark sider with sheer gusto, and there's something to be said for that.
    I'm kinda more in the camp that Finn will be a cyborg of some degree for VIII.
     
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    I think you may be on to something....forming a theory of episode 8 and a lot of force ghosts.
     
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    To be honest, I felt TFA was being coy about it. There's too many scenes where it's not really a stretch to guess that he's force sensitive in some way, but they're all also describable as mundane. It feels like they wanted cover for whichever way they went without it feeling like it came from nowhere.

    The Starkiller beam scene though was just weird. I feel like they either should have cut the screams and just had the shockwave, or you known shown people around the area. It just feels really muddled for what they were probably going for.
     
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    I always felt Finn is going to be the focus of Episode 8, especially after how well he was received. They also hinting at this. Rey and Finn are Max and Furiosa, TFA was Rey's story, I think Episode 8 is Finns and Episode 9 is the conclusion to both of their arcs thats being set up. Makes sense.
     
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    Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather have a single protagonist take me across a trilogy of films. That said, I hope Finn gets much better treatment in VIII. He needed saving way too much and wasn't allowed to achieve personal victory (defeating Kylo Ren, destroy Starkiller Base, etc.)
     
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    Rey is the protagonist, she also has the main conflict with the main antagonist, Kylo Ren, in addition to the story being mostly about her on top of that. The shadowy boss guy behind the scenes (Snoke) is interested in her.

    This whole new entry into the franchise was engineered around Rey - a female Jedi story - from the very beginning, under Kathleen Kennedy's guidance and direction. It's not the Finn show that some people want to twist it into.

    Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm President: "I mean, the fact that I can sit in a meeting and say, "I think the protagonist should be a woman," I think that those are the kind of changes that are really really important in our business..." "Well one of the things, I mean the fact that the company was bought by the Walt Disney Company has been amazing because they very much support the fact that we are trying to grow in the workforce a number of women in executive positions and in all positions inside the company and with the movies that we're making and with the protagonists that we're putting in the stories. And so I got a huge amount of support with that. But we have 50% of our executive team are women. And six out of eight of the people in my story group are women. And I'm sure there's a lot of people that would be surprised that we're making Star Wars movies and the majority of the people involved in the development of those stories are women. And I think that it's making a huge difference in the stories that we're trying to tell." "[The new female lead character] is one of the first things J.J. [Abrams] and I talked about and that we talked to [Walt Disney Studios Chairman] Alan Horn about. It was a very early decision and a choice and something that we worked a long time developing." (October 2015) "Yes [it was important for the central role to be a female protagonist]! In fact, I am such a hero with my teenage daughters. They’re like, “Mom, this is fantastic!” Again, these kinds of questions and issues shouldn’t be huge factors in our society any longer. It’s kind of amazing that these conversations that I remember certainly taking place at the beginning of my career many, many years ago, and even things I talked about with my own mother, are still occurring. It is quite staggering that we’re still having to make a big deal out of the fact that there’s a female protagonist." (November 2015) "Daisy Ridley’s character Rey is the new generation’s Luke Skywalker." (December 2015)

    Michael Arndt: "Yeah, it was I think May 2012, and I was just sort of doing nothing. I was back in New York and trying to figure out what I was going to do next. I just finished working on The Hunger Games, and I was like, “Okay, like no more big Hollywood franchises. I’m going to go back and do my own original stuff.” And then [Kathleen Kennedy] called me up and the initial thing was she wanted me to write VII, VIII, and IX together, and I said, “There’s no way I can do that because it’s just too crazy and daunting.” And then the story that she pitched me was she just said it’s an origin story of a female Jedi. And I was like, “I’m in. I can’t say no to that. I have to do it.” I went to the ranch and I met with George [Lucas]." "I’ll just say very quickly that very early on I tried writing versions of the movie where [Rey] is at home, her home gets destroyed, she goes on the road, she meets Luke, and then she goes and she kicks the bad guy’s ass. It just never worked. I struggled with this. This was back in 2012. It just felt like every time Luke came in and entered the movie, he just took it over. Suddenly, you didn’t care about your main character anymore because like, “Oh f***, Luke Skywalker’s here. I want to see what he’s going to do.” This was like a huge thing." (December 2015)

    J.J. Abrams: "We always wanted to write Rey as the central character." (December 2015) "You know when a movie comes out, [that] there are gonna be people who don't like what you do and that always is gonna happen of course, but you pray [that there] is someone who does, and what I'm so happy about is that there are kids who I've been hearing about through friends who've seen this movie and are all excited–and girls who are dressing up like Rey and the idea that there is, you know–there are always strong women in Star Wars–but the idea that there's one at the center now–is so exciting to me and I just... <audience claps> Well that was–Kathy Kennedy when we first talked about it she said you know we're talking about the idea of having this–a female Jedi–and I'd written some shows Felicity and Alias that had female characters at the center and I was–the idea of a female Jedi, you know, was for some reason–I thought 'oh my god there is a nineteen-year-old kid out there who doesn't know who the hell Luke Skywalker is necessarily, who doesn't know what's real [or] what's not, who is just this like–she doesn't even know she is living in Star Wars–and what happens if that is our, you know, lead character." (December 2015) "You know, I wish I had more details about merchandising and the schedule. I’m learning things as you are, but I will say that it seems preposterous and wrong that the main character of the movie is not well represented in what is clearly a huge piece of the Star Wars world in terms of merchandising." "It doesn’t quite make sense why she wouldn’t be there [in Hasbro's Monopoly]." "She’s somewhat important in the story! <laughs>" (January 9, 2016)

    Rian Johnson: "Pssssst. Hey. Everyone. Following [Daisy Ridley] right now is the twitter equivalent of buying Apple stock in 1997." (August 2014)

    Pablo Hidalgo: "It is you" refers to Rey's awakening.

    Officially licensed SW:TFA group shirts: link 1 link 2 link 3

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    Other merchandise labeling of the main hero and main villain: Itty Bitties, LEGO code names / LEGO set reveals.

    Hasbro licensed Star Wars card game chart (video).

    Hasbro licensed Star Wars chess game:

    I think the people who continue to try to come up with ways to get rid of Rey or marginalize her in service another character are bound for disappointment. She's the main protagonist of the new leading characters and that's also where the money is, not just for the movie but for the Disney parks and merchandising for the next decades.
     
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    This was not an attempt to marginalize Rey. I love Rey as a character. She is clearly the main character, but perhaps you have to have dealt with the Dramatica Pro software many use to help write screenplays. Rey is who the story is about. The Force awakens in her, so to speak. However, it is Finns actions that create the story. They move the plot forward. At least in the opening of the film. After they find solo that shifts a bit to Rey and her insistence on getting BB8 home. However the whole end of the film and its conflict as well as the death of Han is created by Finns decision to help the resistance and try to save Rey at any cost.

    I am not marginalizing Rey at all, she will continue to be the main character of the series. However some of the duties of the protagonist in this film are separated rom that of the main character. we know what Rey will do in VIII its not really a secret. What we don't know is the fate of Finn. The decision to leave him in a coma struck me as something that Johnson might have requested for his script is all.
     
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    I heard you twice the first time. It's not belittling or marginalizing Rey. Rey is the main character, this understood already. Finn is a lead and he has his own story arc. Just because Finn is being discussed doesn't mean it's marginalizing Rey. I love Rey. I have a Rey on her scooter and a BB-8 both flanked by a Finn and Rey - black series. I love both characters. I don't get why people are so intent with choosing between the two like this is some sort of contest to see who's character is better. They are both great characters.

    BTW how can anybody belittle Rey ANYWAY? She's like the new Luke Skywalker for crying out loud.
     
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    Definitely an interesting theory. I don't see why Finn couldn't be force sensitive, I mean they definitely left some hints in TFA that he may or may not be but they left the door open to it. I think that Finn will be used in a manner similar to the way Han and Leia were in ESB. The First Order will go after Finn and the Resistance in order to draw Luke and Rey out into the open because of her connection to him.
     
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