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SPECULATION Will you change your expectations after seeing the 2nd Trailer?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jedi77-83, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. cawatrooper

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    I get that, it's the constant struggle. Part of me wants to go in knowing almost nothing, the other part of me wants to see at least something soon.

    I definitely don't want something like the Rogue One trailers. I think we got way too much from those, where fans were pretty easily to put together almost the entire sequence of the movie from them. Fans are sort of trying the same thing right now, but we honestly don't have nearly enough information yet to really do so very seriously. And I love that, but some sort of short tease just to give us a shot in the arm until December would be nice, I think.
     
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    Well, for me, trailers are just to catch your attention with tidbits and to get you interested. Don't think my opinion would change until I can see the film in its entirety. A trailer would just make me more excited.
     
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    I'd go see it :p:D..
     
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    I am excited for this film though but I can't tell you the level of betrayed I will feel if the Jedi are presented in a bad light. The crown moment of 6 films was Luke's declaration that he is a Jedi. If you tarnish the Jedi then the saga suffers.

    I have fear of Rian Johnson based on his work but his recent comments (breaking rules) and Mark Hamill's comments (this movie feels like its own thing). These comments make me very worried.

    The fact that Rian Johnson has bragged that he is breaking rules even in the opening crawl is either ridiculous overstatement or he has failed to understand the gravity of the opening of SW to the tone of the films.
     
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    What? When did he say something like that? If anything, he is "breaking the rules" by setting The Last Jedi's opening right after TFA's ending. From everything we know, the opening crawl will be just like other opening crawls: "A long time ago...", Star Wars logo in yellow (red logo is just for marketing,) Episode VIII, The Last Jedi, standard opening crawl music (although played from a new recording.) The crawl stays the same in its format.
     
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    Really? Lucas broke rules in the crawl in ROTS by starting it with a single word and an exclamation point.

    Every SW movie is its own thing.

    TPM is a movie about corruption, the breakdown of civil institutions, etc. it's about following your dreams and growing up.

    AOTC is a mystery, the story of how ambitious men are the midwives of evil wars started based on lies. It's got a love story.

    ROTS is about good men failing to prevent anarchy from morphing into totalitarianism. It's about brotherhood, friendship and how arrogance is both rewarded and punished in turn.

    ANH is about yearning and redemption and how adversity can unite strangers

    ESB is about how fragile hope really is. It's about discovering where the breaking point for each character

    ROTJ is about rebirth and keeping promises. And selling toys before the buzz ends.

    TFA is JJ's SW mixtape. And KK's Mary Sue.

    I think you're kind of scared there won't be a crawl before the first moment of action, that they'll show Rey & Luke before the crawl starts.

    That's not been confirmed. They have confirmed there will be a crawl.

    We don't know if the crawl will jump cut to Rey (there's a whole thread debating if the space opening will be retained). Personally, I think the FO & Resistance mixing it up so early in the movie when R tries to get off their planet from TFA will be what is shown right after the crawl at least for a few minutes before they cut to Rey (and that other guy).
     
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    Honestly I don't Know but I have heard the sentiment referenced in a few places. The color wouldn't bother me per se. I more worry that there is a director so taken with his own vision and desire for the film to be "his" that he bucks even the prologue.

    I know your trying to set my fears to rest. But taking the words of Rian and Hamil together scare me. Sure each film has its own stamp, but Mark seems to push that idea further.
     
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    Calm down. Really. I know where your head is at, but you're psyching yourself out over nothing.


    Lord & Miller were fired because they weren't staying true to the established SW vibe and characters.

    CT was fired from E9 because his vision didn't work in the SW universe.

    RO went through a bunch of tweaking and reshoots to better cleave to what TFA was.

    ANH is very different from ESB. Look at the tone, themes, characters, special effects, etc.


    The biggest critique of PT was how fake and stuffy and green screen heavy it was.

    How did they promote TFA? They talked about practical effects and returning to the OT story and feel.


    What was the biggest criticism of TFA? It's too safe, an unoriginal fan film/remake that left out Luke, the hero.

    How do they promote TLJ? They have Mark out there playing up how different it is in every interview.

    Watch the trailer. It's going to feel different, but still feel like Star Wars.

    RJ is a fan, and it's the 8th movie.

    He's going to challenge the audience, but he did stuff like bring back the A wing and make B-wing style speeders. He's going to make it fresh yet feel familiar.

    You're in good hands.

    If you want the same thing over and over, I'm sure you own the blurays.

    But of course you don't want to settle for that. You want TLJ to be good and to be SW. You're about to get a big hunk of evidence about how likely that is. And I think you'll feel better at that point.
     
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    Really? Who did say anything like that? Besides, what do people expect? A film of that scale which doesn't use green screen effects is not going to be made ever again, unless in distant future costs of buildings' construction get ridiculously low. Heck, many, if not most of small scale productions are green-screen heavy because of how expensive it is to shoot on location. If you need some evidece for that, watch carefully cheap German romcoms that are shown on Romance TV (if this channel even exists in the US, it certainly does in Poland.) Additionally, the same thing can be said about Blade Runner 2049 or Mad Max: Fury Road they were promoted on how many practical effects they used, how many real porps and sets they build, etc. The truth being that they most likely use as much CG as TFA or RO did. All these films shot as much in camera as possible and added the rest in post. In some cases it might have been more, in some less, but complaining that Episode VII is green screen heavy is like complaining that the battle of Yavin wasn't shot in-camera.
     
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    thats a typo. I meant PT. My bad.
     
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    Let's put it this way- the new trailer better change how I feel about the film because right now I'm mightily unimpressed with what I've seen and read.
     
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    That makes more sense. ;)
     
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    We really need that trailer.
     
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    These points above should reassure anyone worried about Rian deviating too far off course for the sake of doing something different. If he had he would've been pushed aside or fired. Instead, his instinct to make things feel original and Kathleen Kennedy's instinct to make things feel true to saga appear to be totally aligned.

    Whether or not each of us connects to the movie in a personal way is TBD, but I think it's a safe expectation that we'll be getting a healthy mix of the new and the familiar.
     
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    I hadn't heard about all this, but I do think that some of your fears are reasonable. Star Trek is the franchise where you can change a lot of the dynamics and get away with it, Star Wars is not. Ultimately though, I think the return to JJ Abrams will resolve any of the changes that SW fans don't like. Like I do understand expanding the universe and dynamics, I really do, but the more central an idea is to an established story line, the more inelastic it is. I personally will be ok with the Jedi going away mostly because I don't think they actually do. If Luke ends the old order it will simply be replaced by a new order with tweaks in the philosophy that prevent future Jedi Massacres. Who the Jedi are, isn't really going away, there will always be Force Users who oppose evil; and as long as there are, there will be Jedi (even if they don't call themselves that).
     
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    From a marketing perspective alone, I cannot fathom KK allowing RJ to write Jedi out of the Mythos. I think that @Pastor Barndog has a legitimate concern considering all of the talk like he has mentioned that RJ has done about breaking things up. However, I think like you, the Jedi will be reformed with a different standard than that of old. That said, I don't think that it will be a "gray" order, but basically one that is more centered on the Force than it is centered on rules.

    I think that "The Jedi have to end" speaks to their old strict adherence to their rules. They seemed to revere those rules over the Force.
     
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    Excellent analysis.
     
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    Rogue One used a ton of footage that wasn't in the movie. TFA's trailers didn't represent the tone of the movie well at all and featured dialogue that wasn't in the movie and had misleading implications within the content.

    Ready for Round 3.
     
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    My take on this matter (I have read no spoilers so this is my gut reaction) is that Luke is always a step ahead of everyone in these movies. TFA gets criticized by some fans for making Luke look like a chump for hiding, but again I look at it differently.

    Luke sees this endless cycle and feels something has to change. He didn't follow Obiwan/Yoda's advice in ROTJ in taking revenge, instead he took the tact of redeeming his father.

    I think after a Kylo Ren turned on the Jedi Order, Luke realized this vicious cycle needs to stop. I don't know what he has planned for Rey or how TLJ will play out but Luke understands the old saying, "Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it." Nobody else in these movies ever seems to get that but Luke.
     
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    Good points.

    Honestly it was hearing Rian's rule breaking brag and Mark's "so different" comments within a few minutes of each other,
     
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