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With Solo bombing, will 9 be the finale to The Saga?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by ScumAndVillainy, May 28, 2018.

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    the dreadnaught's name is Fulminatrix.

    and this has nothing to do with the OP, so please get back on topic.
     
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    So a loss of a film (ship) in the fleet(saga) means nothing?

    Do you know IMDB rating of Solo is 87%? Yet it bombed.

    In order to save saga ep. IX. must bring 3x more audience to theaters than Solo.
     
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    Interesting video. I had forgotten about it. It is certainly understandable but I didn't quite take they had an outline of 10-12 from it. They had just discussed where the stories could go with the new characters along with other stories. Many possibilities but I don't get an "outline" from it.

    They can have an overall arc of where they are beginning and how they want it to end for 7-9 and directors still can have a blank slate as how to get it there. Kinda like waypoints in a game but instead of having many to hit, they could just have a starting point and ending point and the directors go anyway they want to get from A-B. Truthfully, I think they are very loosely, very loosely including ideas from GL's outline. Changing things up some and spreading them out within the 3 films. Just my opinion though, will probably never truly know how much.
     
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    I think Episode IX will be the end of the episodic Saga for now, they'll be marketing it that way at least. "Coming soon: The FINAL CHAPTER of the Star Wars Saga." Just like how Revenge of the Sith was advertised as "the last Star Wars." It'll get people to see it. And they'll have to stick to it for a while, for it to have any meaning and trust.

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    But I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually continue it with another fourth trilogy in a decade or two. It'll be a big deal, so they can really only use it once, so it'll be a long waiting game. Maybe bring back a middle-aged Daisy Ridley or something, basically do a repeat of the nostalgia/next-generation thing the current trilogy is doing. But even if Disney is already drawing up plans for episodes X-XIII, they won't tell us until after Episode IX is out, they need to have people think it's the final "Episode" for box office reasons.
     
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    For the foreseeable future, yes, not because Solo bombed, but because they want to be unchained story telling wise.

    Forget standalone movies which are not officially confirmed. Both D&D 'series of films' (which is waiting for the end of GOT) and Rian's new trilogy (in story development stage) are pointing in that direction. If anything, those unconfirmed Saga tie-ins might just serve as a bridge until they get to them.
     
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    Except for the fact that TLJ at points was pretty much openly hostile to the various arcs that TFA setup. They even said it themselves, they wanted to 'subvert expectations', which could also be interpreted as... all that stuff you were expecting? Ya... we'll do whatever we want.. just not that.

    Honestly.. if the call to JJ didn't involve him telling her that in order to come back he gets carte blanche, all the way to final cut, I would be highly surprised. They didn't have much choice at that point, as he was pretty much it and the only person with enough credibility that the fans would accept. Who else would they have gotten?

    The fans liked his film and spent $2 billion saying so. Per TFA, I have zero problems with it, even if Rey was a MS. I don't care. People liked that film and so did I. I'd watch it tomorrow. Was it perfect? No. You can nitpick anything to death. But it was exactly what was needed in order to restart the franchise.

    And there were plenty of ways they could have gone with it, and the fans readily speculated a lot of them. Instead, we got Rainy basically scoffing at the idea of really continuing what JJ setup and set about scribbling over it with crayons because he didn't like it.

    The simple fact is that if you like to go running into dark rooms, you'd better have a general idea roughly where everything is supposed to be. If you don't, you have no idea what you may trip over and may not be able to find your way out.

    And if the end of this involves Reylo, it doesn't matter who writes and directs it, put a fork in Star Wars, its done. There is a reason you do not cater to shippers. You can and will turn yourself into a joke to everybody else.

    The fallacy here being that they may not be able to even demand budgets for whatever they come up with storytelling wise, particularly now that they don't have the trust of the audience. One of the interesting things I've seen about Solo, at least in the 'Easter Egg' thread, was the concept that this stuff was tying into Books or like with that Darth Maul Cameo, the tv series. Every mention was just #yawn and #whodat and #whatdat?

    If that's the case, and they're basing plotlines(or future plotlines) off book or TV canon? Holy cow, are they barking up the wrong tree here, because the audience being inundated with stuff they've never heard of, or characters who are dead suddenly reappearing, while a smug minority goes AH HA I REMEMBER THAT, is just anathema to populistic storytelling. It does not work because doing it insults the audience by expecting them to go run out and buy other stuff in order to fully understand the story. And gives the feeling that they're supposed to be stupid if they don't.

    On paper it sounds great, but just... wow... that's not how this works.
     
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    I don't think Solo and saga films after IX are related. I do know that Disney always has Episode X in their back pocket if everything else fails.
     
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    Rey nobody and Kylo Ren big bad for IX who is going down.
    For Episode X to happen. What if.....
    Broom Boy is a Skywalker.
    It's the only way for Episode X to be an episodic Star Wars. Otherwise, why not standalone? Why label it as Episodic if there is no Skywalkers?
     
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    What brand damage? Solo had almost 9 months less marketing time as Rogue One did. You can't count TFA because that was a once in a generation type of event. Rogue One had a year of marketing all to itself in terms of movie coverage. TLJ had almost 12 months as well. Solo had three? They didn't even show a teaser trailer until three months before the movie came out. Rogue One and TLJ had their teasers 9 months in advance. Both films had an entire Star Wars Celebration that covered it. They both had San Diego Comic-con appearances. Solo had NONE of that. It didn't even have a presence at Celebration last year. So before you go spouting off about brand damage, look at all the freaking facts. Marketing is HUGE in cinema now. If a film is not marketed properly it doesn't sell. The previous films since 2015 had very specific marketing moments which included teasers, trailers, magazine spreads, Force Friday etc etc etc. Solo had none of that outside of the magazine spreads and last minute trailers and teasers well behind where the other films were.

    The other films were treated by Lucasfilm as an EVENT. This movie was NOT outside of the opening red carpet shindig. That's the real reason. Not some phony backlash by small minority who seem to make to take glee in any negative press.
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    You do realize the almighty George Lucas gave 20 million different versions of how many films he intended. Was it three, nine, 12, one? How many, George.
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    Stop drinking and commenting.
     
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    In case you didn't notice it... $264 million after two weeks. This movie may have a hard time even getting to the $400 million they spent on it.

    Can't imagine why its So Low… oh right...

    In the business, they call that brand damage. Or what.... the Star Wars brand is more desirable after a total belly flop as fans stayed away? Really? Is it only Solo, or is this endemic of a poisoned well?

    Its called cutting their losses. No amount of marketing would have saved Solo from the frustrations of the audience after TLJ.

    Lol... you're the one triple-posting.
     
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    Solo failed because the idea of the film never excited anyone to begin with, the film suffered from rumors of it being a bomb, and the final film wasn't good enough to generate word of mouth buzz.
     
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    Lucasfilm wasn’t cutting their losses. That’s not how it works. They focus marketing on one film at a time. Solo had barely 3 months after TLJ left theaters.
     
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    Why didn't they market Solo with TLJ? Even a tease? These are the kind of decisions that have many of us thinking Kathleen Kennedy is not the right one to be making decisions. We can sit here and try to justify Solo's boxoffice due to bad marketing, but they are 100% responsible for the bad marketing.
     
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    Well, for one, we've already got people complaining about Star Wars fatigue.

    Can you imagine if we had a Star Wars movie preview at a different Star Wars movie?
     
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    Only if you believe fatigue.

    I think a preview, but not a trailer would have been great. Could even been just a little short with Ron Howard. I could see it even showing him in American Graffiti with George and him just telling everyone Solo coming in May.
     
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    Look, I'd be happy to have a new Star Wars movie every week, but I think it's pretty clear that there's some degree of fatigue- I mean, if people are complaining about it, it's at least safe to assume it's affecting them, right?
     
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    Emotional attachment is a helluva drug.

    I myself ensure that I see SW (and Marvel films now) twice before I even think of giving an opinion. People walk in with such anxieties about another Jar-Jar or something, or with their own elitist expectations for a space opera. That's why Poe and Kylo's conversation was so damn cool at the beginning of TFA, it broke that tension in the theater. \And then we talk about them so much that I think fatigue may be pretty unique to SW.
     
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    I have always held the belief that 9 should be the end of the saga even before Solo. The future of Star Wars does not sit with the Saga. It is with the Anthology movies and new trilogies.
     
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    What a company does after a product fails in the market is to try to improve the marketing of their next product. And when you market products there's always the risk that they might fail. Having one "failure" doesn't mean that the company will stop doing what they do. So what happens after one movie "fails"?, they move on and improve their approach to marketing for their next movie.
    It's totally ridiculous to assume that Lucasfilm will stop making Star Wars movies because Solo "bombed" at the box office. It's not that they're bankrupt or something like that. Even with the low numbers, the movie is still number one at the box office right now anyway. A lot of movie productions would love to have the numbers Solo did. I think some people are overreacting with this box office thing.
    Also, if Marvel can make thousands of movies with the same general plot and people still go see them, I don't see why Star Wars can't continue after episode 9, considering that the 4 movies released till now have had an amazing artistic quality to say the least.

    EDIT: Sorry, did you mean the conclusion of the Saga as only the episodic films?..I kinda understood it as Disney stopping Star Wars movies in general haha.
     
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    They haven’t marketed any SW movie with another. They have given each movie its own time. Partially this is to not confuse the audience and partially because it worked three times before.

    SW Franchise has made a few billion dollars in just 3.5 years - Kathleen Kennedy is perfectly suited to make decisions. Where were the Marvel fans calling for Feiges head after Age of Ultron bombed? Or after Thor 2 or Iron Man 2 or 3?

    Solo needed to be an event. Three months isn’t enough time to build anticipation. I suspect the lessons will be learned. right now Solo is giving all fans angry about anything SW related a megaphone to complain about anything from to many women in the movies, a woman leading, Luke was done a disservice, blah blah blah.

    But it’s a false megaphone.
     
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