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SPOILER Wolves and a door/A world between worlds review

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. alex

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    I loved these episodes. Rebels has been firing on all cylinders since its return. The episodes work so well together. I wouldn't have liked the first one on its own, but it is necessary set up for the second.

    The good

    * Kanan's classic look comforting Hera

    * We find out what happened to Ashoka!

    * The return of Mortis mythos. Mortis was super weird, but I really enjoyed that clone wars arc. This world between worlds was similarly ultra bizarre, but I loved it.

    * Palpy going full warlock, channeling the Dathomir stuff from clone wars.

    The bad

    * I get that Sabine was trying to buy Ezra time, but she just opens her helmet and gets caught, with no attempt to fight or escape.

    The odd (I normally call this section "the weird" but there was so much super good weird this time)

    * The troopers were close by and facing Ezra and Sabine when they were trying to open the door, but took a while to notice them

    * I can finally say a bit about the wolves. I lean towards slightly disliking them, but understand their use in the story. Seems like Dave was just hot to use teleporting "awesome" wolves, but unless the do/explain more, I'm a bit let down by them.

    * The Trando overseer gets a super tiny cameo
     
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    I thought these were great episodes, but I still think the whole time travel thing was extremely unnecessary. I really enjoy the animated series, Rebels in particular, but I hate that they try to add all these mythical elements to them that end up being completely unheard of in the Original Trilogy (and so far, the Sequel Trilogy).

    Not to mention, Ezra pulling Ahsoka out of her fate with Vader just for her to return to exactly where she was the last time we saw her was such a waste. Why bring her back into the story if we don’t get any further character development or closure? I just wish that whole thing would’ve been executed better (although, ideally, they never would’ve thought of bringing time travel into the Star Wars universe like that).

    I also really disliked the fact that Palpatine had taken on some sort of warlock role. To me, it made the character feel like a million other villains from different fantasy/sci-fi stories, when there’s so much more depth to Palpatine as a character.

    I really enjoyed the episodes, but I think some things could’ve been handled differently and/or executed better.

    However, there were some great things I really enjoyed. My favorite was that, during Ezra’s first moments in the portal, he heard voices taken from all of the Star Wars films, including Rogue One and the Sequel Trilogy. It was a nice little nod to fans, and I’m glad that they were the original recordings rather than re-recorded dialogue. That was one thing I didn’t mind at all about that sequence.

    I’m so excited for the finale next week!
     
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    1) Super unnecessary, but it worked for me. The force binds all things together, and gives users glimpses of the future, so it already transcends time. I'm not sure Ezra could actually change things. From the season 2 finale, Ashoka always slinks away, holding her arm. Ezra saved her, but I think she was always saved by ezra. Fixed timeline theory. We don't know that Ezra could've saved Kanan. Ashoka and Ezra think so, but character's thoughts aren't always a pathway to truth.

    2) We've seen him like that before with the Dathomir arc, and the yoda finale arc in clone wars. I don't think Palpy is "just a warlock", but rather embraces a wider view of the force. In addition to being a traditional dark side user, ala Kylo or Dooku, he is also well versed in dark side magic, like the nightsisters.
     
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    the giant wolves to me, seem old for star wars, Ghost from GoT on steroids, is Ezra star wars' version Arya stark?
     
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    I thought this episode was fantastic. From force ghost Kanan to the return of Ahsoka and revisiting Mortis, it was a rollercoaster of emotions. The whole time travel/changing fates element of this episode sort of explains the line "Restore... past. Redeem... future" from the episode Dume and though it was kind of an out of left field reveal, I think it worked.

    I can't believe next week is already the series finale. I don't want Rebels to be over, but I am so excited to see how it ends!

    Rebels Recon:
     
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    This arc is by far the best from DF. So far this is the best 2 episodes ive seen. the finale has exceed my expectations. They did good with Kanan and now with Ezra in these 2 episodes. Im hella stoked that Ezra pulled Ahsoka out and like DF said shes lives. Now we are gonna see Ahsoka in the finale and where her story will go. I think the force is helping Ezra throughout this arc. He is strong with the force to be able to do what hes been doing the last 3 episodes. You just dont get that chance from learning the ways of the force with the teaching he has gain from Kanan, OB1 and Yoda. I think they are guiding him through this. I think Ezra will sacrifce himself like Kanan did to alter an outcome that will "Spark" hope in the rebellion. I think the finale will lead into the whole Rogue One story with the talks of the whole "Stardust" they mention in "Jedi Knight" episode. I think the crew will find out about this plan like a mini Rogue One finale with the Rebels.

    I think Zeb will go back to his home planet and prolly get a novel from him as well as Sabine leave and a novel from her. I would like to see their story told maybe from the next SW show. I see them preparing for whats to come, with the whole Kyber crystal as a weapon, sabine will put that into fold with i hope Saw in the last episode. Maybe she helps Saw gather the R1 crew. I guess im all excited to see what happens.

    Dave Filioni has done a great job on SW:R. from the little he has to work with, I feel that Rebels has put it's acknowledgement into the films to where it factors the crew. They have shown why certain things happen that others seen in films and havent watch the shows. Im really gonna miss this series as to now that it opens the crew further into the timeline. Now that Ahsoka is back. her story will be told in hopefully the next DF show. Filoni needs to be recommended for a film trilogy. maybe for the upcomming Disney streaming service. start him there...
     
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    I mean no disrespect to any of the folks that have brought us Star Wars to film, but to me it feels like Dave Filoni REALLY gets it. I HATED Ahsoka early on in TCW and it took me 2 seasons to take a liking to Ezra, but in both cases, Filoni has managed to create and flesh out characters that are absolutely worthy of the canon. The Ghost crew are legends as far as I am concerned.

    I cannot wait to see what Filoni and crew is working on next.
     
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    I took the whole time travel thing as an inbetweener. Its a place we wont see anymore, just like mortis. It was where the emperor wanted to be cause if he had the chance he could of altered alot of what is canon now. Ezra only altered what was on the fore front of all SW fans mind and to which DF provided. factor in that he could of saved Kanan but in doing so Ezra wouldnt be there in the first place. so it made sense. Now if they showed events in the films that would of been too much sauce. but it all falls fair to me. I do understand your views tho...
     
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    I know I'm in the extreme minority, but honestly I have not liked the past 4 episodes at all. I enjoyed them at the time and thought they were fun and all, but the more I think about it, the more and more displeased I get. It's like something is missing. In the drive to really get to the big A-plot action and story out there in the limited time frame, it really feels like something that made Rebels what it was in the first couple seasons is missing. Maybe it's the lack of any real character moments and the total absence of the family vibe, plus the really strange way Sabine and Ezra have been acting entirely business-like and distant, but the whole attitude and feeling of the show has been very off for me for the entire second half of the season so far. To the point where it's becoming my least favorite set of Rebels episodes. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of what is in the episodes, but the stuff that's missing is important enough to me that its absence is really jarring and off-putting.
     
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    The budget?
     
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    I enjoyed the episodes but I need to watch them again. I did not mind the time traveling element.
     
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    What? What about Kanan coming to terms with his fate and carrying out the selfless act of saving his family? What about Ezra coming to terms with the fact that he couldn't change Kanan's fate as much as he wanted to without making things worse? What about the crew mourning Kanan together? Chopper holding Hera's hand to comfort her? For me this arc has been the richest in character moments and the family vibe and has contained so many pay off moments from stuff that happened earlier.

    These last four episodes have been amazing particularly the last two. Just want to say something about what people are calling time travel. That wasn't time travel. The portal was a pathway between all time and space. In force lore - time and space don't necessarily obey the rules of everyday physics. The force binds together and penetrates all of space and time and as the force is eternal so is all it binds together. That portal was somehow inside the vantage point of the force. Ezra wasn't travelling forward and back in time, he was parallel to all time and space. That's not time travel.

    The complaint about Palpatine as some sort of warlock figure completely ignores force lore that has been built up in canon for years - in The Clone Wars, Sidious and Dooku practiced dark side force magic. Papatine is known, even in the films to use the dark side of the force for precognition as well as influencing events. Though no longer canon, the Plageuis novel showed Sidious and his master doing this, particularly in their attempts to influence life and death. You know, "the dark side of the force is a path to many abilities, some would consider, unnatural."

    I think the key component of watching rebels is a good Jedi trait. Patience. These episodes were for me the reward. Onwards to the finale.
     
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    I thought it was pretty cool. Why can't kill Ahsoka? They travel through time and pull her out of the Vader duel, and then she travels through another time and place, no doubt the next cartoon series. It's just bleehh to me. Like Star Wars Quantum Leap. Let the past die, make a new character if you have to.
     
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    A point no one had noticed. The Emperors minion dude, unsure what his hame is while having art discussions with Sabine, tells Sabine that the dark side is the one who closes the portal. Sabine tells him the light side is the one that opens it. In this episode, Ezra does both. Now we have seen Ezra use dark side powers previously. However the shot lingers on him after he leaves the portal. Something has changed, just as it changed with Ashoka with the bird.

    Is there a chance Ezra gets sucked into Mortis again? That Ezra moves to replace the father in the Mortis arc. I think most likely whatever happens. Ashoka is saved for the purpose of saving Ezra later.

    I am expecting an Ezra "death", but not the death we expect. The light of the father closed down the temple to the sith.

    In the preview for next episode it looks like Ezra is being sucked away by the light. Just thoughts.

    Oh, I loved the episodes, two of my favorite so far. Although I must admit I want to see Sabine and Ezra together, but alas that won't happen.
     
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    Ezra isn't the least bit surprised that the Galactic Emperor is a Sith Lord?
     
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    15 viewings on each, really awesome episodes.
     
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    Completely agree. Also, Palpatine forcing his power/influence to breake into a realm/nexus point of all space-time, even entering said realm in the flesh, without requiring a specialized gateway created by the Mortis Gods, and only using Sith sorcery along with his force of will is definitely one of the most impressive showings in the mythos, imo.
     
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    Me too. If you would have said to me - "this episode of Rebels will involve time travel" before I watched it - I would have cringed a little and scoffed at the idea (keep that kind of plot device in Star Trek where it belongs!). But the way it worked in this episode was surprisingly very cool. I loved it.
     
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    Fantastic episodes. From the beautiful cinematography and music to diving right into Force myths. I like how Ahsoka stopping Ezra from saving Kanan shows exactly how the Emperor would use the gateway if he had the power over it. From the place between the worlds, he could change history and literally become invincible. And Ahsoka returns to the exact same moment we saw at the end of Season 2 and enters the temple. The fact that we didn't hear from her shows her wisdom - she cannot change the timeline by going back to the Rebels. If she does, they don't experience everything that brought them back to Lothal and she isn't saved.

    The music when they are riding wolves brought tears to my eyes. Beautiful, beautiful episodes.
     
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    The better way to handle this, IMO, would have just make this world between worlds how the force "reaches out to people". Ezra didn't need to PHYSICALLY pull Ahsoka out of there to save her. He could have reached out and told her something or given her a nudge in the right direction. But now that the ability to physically pull someone out of danger exists like this, it's really just a countdown until someone less skilled than Dave gets a hold of this and does something very, very dumb.
     
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