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SPOILER Wolves and a door/A world between worlds review

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Feb 27, 2018.

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    Some good ol' foreshadowing:
     
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    Filoni's foresight is top notch.
    I really hope he ties this up neatly and ends it.
     
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    I didn't want to believe it was so, but rebels recon does strongly indicate that you can change history from the world between worlds.

    Hrm, I wonder if there is a term used to describe taking a path from one point, to a different point. Maybe traveling? ;P

    If your point is that the world between worlds connects all points in time, I agree. Literally, only Ezra's hands went to the past briefly. Ashoka is briefly removed from time, so not a lot of traveling actually occurs.

    She returns to exactly where she left from. In season 2, we see her fight Vader, and slink away with a hurt arm. Nothing was changed.

    Excellent point. A few on reddit pointed it out too, but it went right over my head.

    Excellent and neat point of view, but I think Palpy was trying to trick Ezra into pulling him into the portal. Ezra would've thought he was saving Kanan, only to have pulled through Palpy.

    That's how I took it. Star wars explained noticed sith symbols above the kanan portal, so there is an idea that it was a trick to get ezra to pull sidious through the portal. I like this better than rewriting history, but rebels recon seemed to indicate that you can alter everything from within the portal.

    Can you elaborate on "the entirety of the force"? I don't follow. I took it as just another weird thing that can happen within a force nexus, like the preistess or mortis planets.

    I'm glad I have you guys to talk to. None of my friends watch rebels. This is a pretty good observation.
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    Just saying there is a secret reason isn't much foreshadowing. Couldn't they have put literally anything in and "fulfilled" this foreshadowing?
     
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    Well it implies the Emperor will obviously be a big factor down the stretch and why else would he be unless it was something incredibly important regarding the force and potentially extending life...
     
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    The entirety: the Light, the Dark and much more (as Luke says). The Force nexus (as you call it) represents the entire Force, so we have portals that lead to Sith temple or have Sith sign above. It's how the Force is used that gives its aspect (Dark, Light), but everything is the Force.

    It's also not just the past or the present that can be accessed through the nexus. We hear all these voices and not all of them are from the Force users (we hear Jyn, we hear Maz...) and they are from the future.
     
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    I wish I payed attention the way you did;)
    , thanks

    There are so many possibilities - she could use one belonged to inquisitor, same way as Vader y'know, or she could confront him, again :eek:
    They both are trapped there, and we don't know how he escaped, do we?

    On my opinion she tried to save him destoying temple's floor...

    Soooooo intruiged

    Anytime;)
     
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    I am so glad Ahsoka is still alive! I know that not everybody shares my sentiment, but I love Ahsoka so I'm of course really excited about it. I believe I saw her in a commercial for the finale next week, but don't quote me on that. I imagine we'll get a comic or book about what happens to her after Malachor for sure. I just hope that they do give her a worthy end, otherwise she might as well have just died on Malachor.

    I think this concept for a world between worlds is very interesting. I never wanted time travel in Star Wars, but I love the way a similar concept is implemented here. Having all sorts of connections to ALL of Star Wars in one place was very nice. I do agree with @PrincessLeiaCB3 that it's a bit odd that we didn't hear any lines from Luke.

    I think Ezra and Hera having to say goodbye to Kanan was a great scene and showed real growth in Ezra's character. The Emperor was used excellently here IMO and I really liked Minister Hyden's character. I do have problems with the first of the two episodes, but the greatness from both overweighs that for me. (Those seamless 2D paintings!?) Overall, I'm satisfied with this week's story and ready (and kinda sad) for next week!
     
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    I guess that is to stay in line about Luke being closed off from the force. Because we hear voices from the future and the past and if Luke was closed off from the force in the future, it would make sense that we wouldn't hear from him. That's what I take from it at least.
     
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    Ahsoka was removed from her present position in time and moved to a further one. That’s most definitely time travel.
    Claiming it’s dumb isn’t the same as being non-canonical. Just because it’s been established doesn’t mean someone can’t find it silly.
    Can’t say that makes much sense to me. Luke actually becomes one with Force in the future. If this place is a junction point of all time, then Luke should exist there as well, whether he was closed off for a few years or not. I don’t think it’s worth looking too far into though.
     
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    Yeah, I guess Ezra didn't technically jump around through time, but the WbW is sort of like a Nexus. It's hardly different than if Ezra flew around in a time machine and just never exited the machine. It's time travel in all practical purposes.
     
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    So, if there is timetraveling, I hope there will also be parallel universe where legends stuff happens.

    Or no, too Star Trekkish would be that.
     
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    Aww thanks!! This is what the Cantina is for, to have enjoyable and civilised discussions about everything Star Wars.

    That's something @Choose Light mentioned about the Emperor perhaps referring to something like this during the opera scene in ROTS, regarding the power of saving people from death. I heard some complaints about Palpatine being depicted as a old warlock which might not match the image of the powerful Sith Lord; but I think is something of what we have learned from Palpatine, how he focused on studying the lore of the Force and the Dark Side of it, and it is included in how he got Maul as an apprentice in the first place from Mother Talzin (Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir comic), how he was building Observatories all around the galaxy (Aftermath: Life Debt and Aftermath: Empire's End) between other things.

    Me literally after finding out she was alive:

    Jonah-hill-omg.gif

    I find it hard to believe she was brought back to the show just to be killed next week. However, we never know. I want to believe she might be out of the fight and perhaps there is a slight chance she is found by Luke Skywalker when he is around the galaxy immediately after ROTJ and before the Battle of Jakku. Just to let her know her former master came back to the Light and to meet his son (if we have a live-action or some kind of media having Ahsoka meeting Luke telling him "Skyguy" seriously it would be awesome!). But here's to hope LOL.

    upload_2018-2-27_16-2-6.png

    Indeed. Perhaps it's just like @deadmanwalkin009 says, perhaps it is because at one point he shut himself out of the Force... though I would have liked to hear him.
     
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    Hmmm, I don't know if that would be the case.

    Star Trek took a sort of quantum "many worlds" approach to time travel, as far as I understand it- sort of a butterfly effect that arises at the quantum level for every single binary opportunity in the universe, creating every single possible world. At least, that how I always figured it.

    With Star Wars, I think Ezra just kinda stuck his arm through a window. :p

    That would be really cool, though, to have Legends stuff as a sort of alternative reality in canon.
     
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    Yeah, what has to be considered is whether this 'in between' place is time neutral or not. That was the impression I got at least. It's independent of the timeline. So Ahsoka, and Ezra too for that matter, was displaced from her position on the timeline and then placed back again at a different point. It wasn't an instantaneous shift as they seemingly experienced a comparable passage of time, but that's not the point. They both left the timeline at point 'A', were displaced from time, and then arrived at point 'B'. That's time travel. Not flashy DeLorean style, but still counts :)
     
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    Ah but you're wrong. She wasn't moved forward in time, she never set foot in "the present" of rebels. She was moved to a place outside of time.
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    So I guess this settles it! https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/201...e-filonis-plan-has-rewarded-our-patience.html
     
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    Exactly. She left the timeline and then returned back to it at a different point. That’s the conceptual basis behind time travel.

    <------------A******B------------>

    Between these two points (A and B), Ahsoka does not exist in space-time in the way we perceive it. So, from a normal perspective, she blinked out of existence for some nebulous amount of time, and then blinked back into it. She literally traveled through time and skipped over a chunk of it. Make sense?
     
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    I disagree that constitutes time travel. Time travel in science fiction or even in speculative science generally means
    That's not what is generally meant by time travel though. For time travel to exist, time must have a constant direction. If time is illusory and al time can be reached simultaneously from a given point, then we are talking about movement in a very different way to how time travel is generally employed in science fiction. Within concepts of time travel, there is a forward and a back - all movement via the world between worlds is side stepping. It might seem semantic but I think it's an important distinction.
     
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    I love these 2-episode format. It allows the storyteller to give so much more.

    This particular got me chills. I was watching this with my wife and 10-year-old son. All of us are hard-core SW fans, and particular like Ahsoka during TCW and Rebels. When Ezra saved her, we almost lost it. We enjoyed identifying the voices and their words. I can only conclude that this 2-episode story was a gift from Filoni to all hard-core fans of the entire saga, for so many Easter eggs and surprises.
     
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    The message of these episodes:

    Ahsoka.gif

    They told us, Luke told us in TLJ. There is so much more to explore...
     
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    She ended up right where we last saw her in the S2 Finale. She was headed into that triangle door. Only then, most of us thought that Vader had broken her and she was walking off to disappear.
     
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