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SPOILER Wolves and a door/A world between worlds review

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. PrincessLeiaCB3

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    I would think their lifespan is pretty much similar to the human one, but not for sure. If she was 14 at the beginning of TCW, and according to Wookieepedia she was born 36 years before the Battle of Yavin. So if we are hoping for Luke meeting her after ROTJ, she would be around her early forties if she survives until then.

    Luke: "No one's from nowhere"
    Rey: "Jakku"
    Luke: "That's pretty much nowhere"


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    I don't think this is canon anymore, but the Ultimate Alien Anthology might be all we have to go off of right now.


    Looks like they age roughly the same as real life humans.

    (Ironically, apparently humans in Star Wars typically live 100-120 years, with some force users approaching 200. Go figure.)


    Though, note that both the lifespans of Togruta and humans here come straight from Legends canon. I don't think we have an answer in current canon as of now.

    Ahsoka was born in 36 BBY, so she'd be mid 30s to early 40s during the GCW.

    The battle of Starkiller Base was in 34ABY, so she'd be 70 by the time that roles around. She'd technically be in the middle age stage of life at that point. So probably a little old for Rosario Dawson, unless she went through some serious aging makeup.
     
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    I do not think ahsoka is in the present anymore...I believe that she was transported to the POST-TLJ era
     
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    I thought it's a good idea especially seeing that fan art of her portraying Ahsoka, but I don`t support this idea any longer - she looks like evil twin of beloved character on anabolics, no offence though...

    Here is some fun article about fans choice for Ahsoka's role I found last year :D
     
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    Not a big fan of where they take the lore to. There's basically time travel in star wars now. The force seems too 'big' now, anything is possible through the force. I liked it better when the force was 'small', when it was a bunch of tricks one could do because of their jedi/sith training. I wonder if GL didn't quit, what his take on the force would've been.
     
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    Too big? Did you not see the prequels?
     
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    Seriously? I despair at comments like this. It's as if you only watched ANH and nothing else. The Force is EVERYTHING.

    IF GL didn't quit - ALL THIS STUFF COMES FROM GL - Mortis was Lucas's thing!!!!
     
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    The OT: Force jumps, force pull, force push, force choke, force mind control, force lightning, force ghosts, talking through the force
    The prequels: Force jumps, force running, force mind control, force push, force pull, force choke, force lightning, force vision, force absorption
    The force is 'small' in both, the OT and the prequels.
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    The force IS everything, yes. But the power of it should have limits. Once something is introduced as limitless, it loses its appeal.
    The midichlorians thing made more sense (fight me). It made more sense that the more midichlorians you have in you, the more powerful in the force you are. It made the force something special and exclusive because not everyone can use it. Since the midichlorians thing is gonna be ignored in all future star wars projects and the force is limitless, anyone will be able to wield the force, which is not interesting at all.
    Mortis is an ok story arc, which finally had something to do with Anakin being the chosen one. Not a big fan of that story arc either, though. It felt out of place, and the mind wipe aspect of it felt cheap.
     
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    Important to clarify whether we're talking about the Force, or just the Jedi/Sith.

    "It's so much bigger."
     
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    I'm not sure where you get the idea that everyone will be able to use the force, but okay. What Broomboy represents is not that everyone can use the force, it's that you don't have to have a powerful bloodline to have the force. Rebels proves this with Ezra and the prequel era proves this.
     
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    I still think this wasn't time travel. You can say it was time intervention, specifically intervention that wouldn't change the destinies of anyone but Ahsoka, not Vader not Ghost crew. She was taken out of her time and returned to it. On the other hand, if Ezra 'saved' Kanan, he would effectively killed everyone else including himself which would change the future - of Kanan, of Ghost crew, of Lothal. And we don't even know if that vision of Kanan's death was real or created by Palpatine to use Ezra's temptation as an entry point to the World Between Worlds. The doorway had Sith sign above and it was the same doorway Palpatine showed up in later.

    Basically, I don't think that WBW changes much except of demonstrating the complexity of the Force and it's possibilities. The fact is that Jedi knew about Mortis gods and, yet, this was never used before. Yoda didn't go to Lothal after Order 66, picked the doorway and killed Palpatine. I think Mortis gods are the clue. Morai, Daughter's spiritual guide or Daughter herself leads Ezra to Ahsoka's doorway, she prompt him to pull Ahsoka out. He was let in the WBW by Mortis gods and allowed Ahsoka to be pulled out. The Jedi temple on Lothal and the entry to WBW were destroyed. If another entry exist, it's logical to conclude Mortis gods also have to grant you the access. If time intervention happens, it is always granted by the Force.
     
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    Do you guys think that this is what Palpatine was hinting at when he talked with Anakin about Plagueis at the Opera in ROTS?
     
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    Possibly, but I wouldn't put it past him that he was lying to him, to get him to 'trust' him. I thought that to.
     
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    I think I need an explainer video like this one that includes reference to Mortis lore, the Cosmic Force, Temples as conduits, and a name that fits GFFA nomenclature!



    Oh and in case it hasn't been shared already...

     
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    You also forgot force ghost interacting with the environment in the OT. Force ghost of Obi-Wan sat on a log.
     
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    I tried to read through as much as possible, and while it's possible I missed something, I couldn't find any mention of my personal favorite thing: Ian McDiamid!!! The rumors were true!
     
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    She was taken out of her time and returned to it - at a LATER point in time. If she’d gone back to the exact point, she would have been pluralized by Vader. That’s time travel plain and simple. A duck that barks instead of quacking is still a duck even if it doesn’t fit your precise definition.
    My take was that the portal was related to how the Wolves can zip around the planet. Lothal has unique Space-time properties that ancient Force users were able to leverage in creating that gateway. With that entry point gone, access would be impossible unless another one exists somewhere else. It’s plausible then that this was a onetime thing. That’s how I’m looking at it.
     
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    Re-watch the scene. Vader fell trough the floor and the ceiling fell down, additionally separating them. Ezra saved her from the debris, not from Vader. You can argue maybe that she was returned a millisecond later, so that debris missed her, but Vader wasn't there anymore - he fell through the floor. That fall hurt him. Everything else we saw in Season 2 finale is happening at the same time - Vader limping out of the temple, Ghost flying away, Ahsoka going deeper into the temple. For all intention and purposes, the timeline is unbroken. Ahsoka was always saved and nothing changed. All is as Force wills it. ;)
     
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    Under your advisement, I re-watched the scene. Unless I’m somehow seeing a different version than you, it’s pretty explicit that Ezra pulls her into the portal just before Vader’s slash. He didn’t just whiff. We don’t actually get to see the exact moment she returns though. We only see her wake up at some point after everything has collapsed. So neither of us have a real claim on that one :)
    Considering Ezra was apparently absent from the timeline for a comparable stretch to how long he was ‘in-between’, I think it’s reasonable to deduce it was the same with Ahsoka. That makes the most logical sense to me and that’s the assumption I’ve been operating under. I can easily be wrong though.
    I’m not sure why so many people have ‘altering events’ as a condition to time travel. If you were to, by some undefined means, suddenly travel 5 minutes into the future, does that not count as time travel to you? Nothing was changed, you just didn’t exist for 5 minutes. That’s all I’m talking about.
     
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    I guess the question is: could Ezra and Ahsoka have traded doors, or both have gone out the same door?

    If so, I'd say that is Time Travel, even if it doesn't have the traditional time machine.


    Side note: Anyone else reminded of The Magician's Nephew from C.S. Lewis? The doors to other worlds reminded me a lot of a similar thing from that book, even with the whole "world between worlds" area. Or, if you prefer, it's kinda like The Nightmare Before Christmas", too.

    Point being: while, if you enter those portals, it is technically time travel, it's also space travel. The location to location teleportation is also pretty useful and neat.
     
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