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SPOILER Wolves and a door/A world between worlds review

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Rebels' started by alex, Feb 27, 2018.

  1. LadyMusashi

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    You were correct (I followed my own advice and re-watched the scene), Vader slashes first, then falls through.

    I think because we are conditioned to think that way: Time travel=changing things. Because time travel is an ultimate wish fulfillment in story telling: "If you can go back, what would you do?" And, I think that is what some fans are afraid of, the retconning galore.
     
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    Sure. Star Wars, by no means, has any obligation to obey the laws of our physical reality, but in our universe there’s no actual divide between ‘space’ and ‘time’. They're merely two aspects of the same thing. Moving through space is the same as moving through time and vice versa.

    I mean, when you think about it, what exactly IS ‘hyperspace’ in Star Wars? It’s definitely not ‘light speed’. Logistically, it would have to be way faster for them to jump from star to star the way they do. So is it some sort of augmentation of space-time? Another strange variant on time travel?

    Meh, probably not. This is a fantasy world after all. Things are possible or impossible as much as the story requires. No need to think too hard on it I guess :)
    I definitely get the sentiment and why people are concerned. You’re certainly right that nothing was actually ‘changed’ as far as we know. It’s not certain whether things even can be altered in that way. If they couldn’t, then that would somewhat diminish the lesson Ezra learns though. I’m sure it was left vague on purpose so it could be read either way. That’s why I have a hard time believing this idea will come back into use any time soon. But what do I know?
     
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    My outlook on the Force, before TPM, was that most anyone could potentially train to be a Jedi. That the Force was present in everyone and that it was only a special state of mind that was required in order to sense and harness it. The more time you spent meditating and contemplating and existing in this mindset, the more second nature it would feel and the stronger with it you’d become.

    Everyone has the potential, but only a few are capable of realizing that potential. That’s why Luke’s deficiencies on Dagobah were largely related to self-doubt and mental hindrances. He was getting in his own way. He didn’t have the right mindset: trust in the Force and trust in yourself.

    That idea was pretty well shot to hell when Qui-Gon farted midichlorians into my face back in 1999. Force acuity was directly proportionate to your level of midis. The more of those little bugs you got in you, the more Force you got. So now, Force users are basically ‘mutants’. You’re either born that way or you’re not.

    I understand my perception doesn’t dictate reality. This story isn’t beholden to me, but a little bit of my childhood was bruised after that reveal - and for no real plot purpose other than to let us know that Anakin was super ‘forcey’. Something that could have adequately been communicated to us without a Jedi blood test. Oh well, such is life. It’s just a story.
     
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    I still love the theory that those little midichlorian reader things are no more scientific than E-Meters in Scientology, and are yet another symptom of the decline of the Jedi and their growing dogmatism.
     
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    I don't know that I ever defined it to myself, but I don't think I took away from the OT that most anyone could train to be a Jedi, simply based on Luke telling Leia she had the ability to be a Jedi too, because the Force was strong in his family. Not trying to invalidate your takeaway, because I can see it from your point of view. I guess I just saw it differently, so when midichlorians came about I thought they were a bit too science-y but not world breaking. Reading this makes me understand some of the pushback on Midi a bit more.
     
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    Yeah, I rationalized that by pointing to real world parallels. Like music. Just about anyone can learn to be a musician, but some people naturally excel at it while others struggle. Often times these people come from musically inclined families. Is that genetics or learned behavior (nature vs. nurture)? Hard to say, but that’s how I imagined learning the Force was like. Technically anybody could do it, but only a few are naturally gifted enough to be exceptional, and that propensity could believably run in a family.
    Hey, my takeaway was invalidated about 20 years ago :)
    To be totally honest, it’s really the childish escapist fantasy element of it. “If I could somehow go to this far away galaxy, maybe I could be a Jedi too?” “Nope, sorry, kid. You don’t have enough arbitrarily dispersed quantities of microscopic Force creatures inside you. Now go home.” Meh, it is what it is.
     

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