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World Between Worlds

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Andrew Waples, Jul 17, 2018.

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World Between Worlds in 9

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  1. Andrew Waples

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    What's the likely hood that World Between Worlds gets used? I feel like that's too juicy of place to not use. It's such an easy way to be able to "connect all the trilogies" that JJ supposedly wants to do in 9.
     
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    Yikes I hadn’t thought of that but you make a good point.....though time travel seems so “sci-fi” for a SW movie....and are we voting on whether we want to see it or will it be done?
     
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    Both, I guess. It is canon, but in terms of power, it's too important for it just to be sitting around for only a 22 minute episode.

     
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    I just don't think JJ is the type of guy who would use this in his story. I doubt he even knows about the Rebels story.
     
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    What if Luke went to this place after he "died"?
     
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    I love the theory, I just don't think JJ knows Star Wars outside of the films.
     
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    I like it in the cartoons, but I don't see it flying in a movie meant for a general audience.
     
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    Nothing at all about that strikes me as “easy” though. There’d be a lot of heavy lifting just to set up that premise just to maybe wind up losing the audience anyway. All risk, very little reward.
     
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    I agree, but the fact that Maul was in Solo has opened the door for my speculation.
     
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    I feel like even though this is canon, it has the potential to cause people to fly off the handles over if it pops up in a movie and while I think JJ may take a few more risks in this one than he did in episode XII, this may be a bit too out of his comfort zone for a Star Wars movie.
     
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    So Star Wars has a built-in Stargate network? Interesting. It would definitely make for a unique Star Wars movie. Could connect all the trilogies, as well as serving as a way to give "flashback" information without actual flashbacks. Could explain things like, how Luke's lightsaber was retrieved, Vader's helmet, and such. Could be tied in some way to Rey's visions in TFA. Remember the scene with Rey at Bespin? What if it was a vision of the future, when she would go through this network? What if she was there at Bespin? Offscreen. Maybe it was Rey who got Luke's lightsaber and gave it to Maz? Bootstrap paradoxing Star Wars? This has potential. It feels like it should be done. I guess we'll find out.
     
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    Time travel in a SW movie seems good to go to me. Make it happen, JJ.
     
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    I'm stepping into this convo ignorant of Rebels, I haven't watched the series (I plan to, just haven't gotten around to it). So please be patient.

    I'm all for more sci-fi in SW, and in a world of space wizards and ships that fly faster than light without time dilation effects, time travel was bound to come up with story groups as potential directions to take the universe.

    I think time travel is great in certain properties, it's an awesome sci-fi theme. The problem is including it within SW. It's more sci fi than many view the property. I also feel time travel has the potential to hurt stories a great deal. If not done carefully, it could take away the gravity of certain decisions. Even if all that is done correctly, I'm not sure if IX is the right time to introduce it. Personally, I think something as significant as this would need some build up, not to mention planning. I think within SW, you'd almost have to dedicate a trilogy with attaining this ability being the climax of the trilogy. I think introducing it in IX would feel rushed.

    The positives I see are this.

    It could definitely help Rey's development, as maybe this is what the Force chose her to do. Limiting it's use to one person, would limit the chance of abuse, not just in universe, but for the writers too.

    Another, for the haters, could be that this is how they do a soft retcon (of sorts)of Luke in TLJ, as this would only be one of many alternative timelines. Thus his decision process would only be one of trillions of possible Luke's. That could garner some peace of mind to some fans. Maybe this is also the only time line where Rey gets to use this power.

    They could reboot without really making a reboot. Done right, they can simply explore different timelines, different possibilities.

    I'm sure there are more positives, but here's my biggest fear. Would it (could it even?) feel like SW? Or are we entering Trek/Terminator territory?

    If they do introduce it, I hope they put a spin on it that makes it its own. I also hope that it's not constantly affecting the rest of the SW universe. I don't think I'd be an overly big fan of every few movies being about time travel.

    I voted no because I don't think they'll go this way.
     
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    The fact that we saw Maul in SOLO tells me that they are not as scared to pull new cannon from other media, even though they know that most won't understand the backstory behind the why.
     
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    Establishing something like that would take a lot of time from a movie, that's supposed to wrap everything up. Placing the final battle in some sort of "spiritual realm" of the Force is something that can happen and be awesome, if done right. But a network of portals between space and time, that the heroes could travel through would be excellent for a long running tv show, but not for a theatrical movie trilogy.
     
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    Well, they don't need to explain all of it because its already established what it is and what it can do.
     
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    Yes, in the cartoon, that most movie goers most likely didn't see. It's not like Darth Maul in Solo, understanding this thing would be important to understand what's going on and thus would have to be established and explained in the movie.
     
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    Ha ha. Yes, that certainly would be some serious time travel :D
    Maul isn’t really from “other media” though. He was the main antagonist for Episode I - a movie character who showed up in another movie. He had continuing adventures elsewhere, but that’s not really relevant to his presence in Solo.
    Exactly. Introducing a plot element this significant, this late in the story, would make that become the story. Everything would be about that particular plot detail. I’m not saying it couldn’t be addressed in another big screen outing, but EPIX wouldn’t be a very logical place for it.
     
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    I would argue the opposite of this. While Maul was in Episode I, the Maul many fans now know is from TCW which is other media. The true development of Maul occurred through his role in TCW and even Rebels and what is set up at the end of Solo is directly related to Maul's actions at the conclusion of his arc in TCW. To many casual fans who never got into the TV shows or just stick to the movies, the appearance of Maul was most likely a shock and that's why the blending of the two types of media was a bigger deal since it hadn't really been done before by Lucasfilm.
     
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    The point I was more getting at was that the ‘how’ of Maul’s appearance wasn’t really necessary to the story of Solo. He was presumed dead (by many) and the reveal was that he wasn’t. You don’t need to know his journey from TCW to have that work. It wouldn’t have benefited the audience any more than a simple “Oh, OK. That sort of makes sense I guess.” He was a known quantity that was reintroduced and then affects the plot in no discernable way. He’s just there. He could just as easily not be there.

    The WBW is a totally different animal. How do the characters discover it? How do they know that it does? Why would they use it? How does it serve their individual character arcs? How does it integrate into the established story up to that point? You’re starting from scratch. It would raise questions that absolutely need to be addressed and would directly affect the plot in a dramatic way.

    Not to mention the potentiality for redundancy or contradiction. The previous movie was all about accepting the past, learning from it, and using that knowledge to guide your future. This is the exact same context for the way the WBW was used in Rebels. So, more of the same? Or would they instead be rejecting the past and possibly undoing it by way of a convoluted plot device? Ruining the message of both stories and confusing the audience while doing it. I just don’t see the upside to this.
     
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