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SPECULATION Would Anakin have become Vader if Qui-Gon had trained him?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Jar Jar Darklighter, Jun 3, 2015.

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Would Anakin have become Vader if Qui-Gon had trained him rather than Obi-Wan?

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  1. Jar Jar Darklighter

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    Would Anakin have become Vader if Qui-Gon had trained him rather than Obi-Wan? I wonder if Anakin would have been able to resist the temptations of dark side and bring balance to the force under the training and tutelage of Qui-Gon...
     
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    Nope I still think he would have turned not matter who his master was.
     
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    I tend to agree. I think he still would have turned. Palpatine would have still been working behind the scenes, and Anakin still would have had issues with attachment.
     
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    In that case, here's another question: If it had been Qui-Gon dueling with Anakin on Mustafar rather than Obi-Wan, who would have won? Would Anakin have defeated Qui-Gon? That would've meant no burnt Anakin and no Vader suit.
     
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    Hmm. Well, there's not much to go by here. Darth Maul beat Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan beat Darth Maul. So does that mean that Darth Vader would beat Qui-Gon, whereas Obi-Wan would beat Darth Vader? Who knows. I kind of think it was Anakin's destiny to be in that suit, though. So I'm going to say that I think Qui-Gon would have won.
     
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    Are we implying then that Obi-Wan may have perished when fighting Darth Maul, instead of Qui-Gon?

    In any case, I do imagine Qui-Gon would lose. My reason isn't because I think he was not powerful or smart, but that in this case he was too firm a believer in the prophecy. Seeing Anakin turn would to him be too much to take in, and would most certainly throw him off more than it did Obi-Wan, who would probably at least tap into his emotions a teeny-tiny little bit to help combat the ferocity of emotion that was Anakin. For Qui-Gon it would have been his world falling down in front of his eyes, as opposed to Obi-Wan who was more-or-less pulled into the prophecy and didn't necessarily adhere to it.

    What's interesting to consider with this scenario is, with the absence of someone who knew all about his personal life and assuming that Obi-Wan was by that point merely an acquaintance, who would take on the care of Luke? Would both twins go to reside with the Organas? Would Yoda take over the care and watch over Luke? Would Obi-Wan have survived Order 66 and still somehow ended up caring for Luke instead?
     
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    I think Qui Gon would have been more apt to keep Anakin out of the political realm where Palpatine and the Jedi Council were centered. So, with Anakin off world and by Qui Gon's side, I think the chance of Anakin turning would have been diminished.

    Also, when the Separatist movement happens, Qui Gon would have been closer to figuring out Dooku's actual loyalties (to Sidious) because he wouldn't have simply let his former Master disappear without an explanation. Qui Gon could have at least resolved the burgeoning mystery of the Sith, as it was he who first encountered Maul and reported his findings to the Jedi Council.

    Finally, there's the fact that Qui Gon (more than anyone within the Order) believed that Anakin was The Chosen One. He had zero skepticism on this point- where even Obi Wan had reservations about the prophecy. Anakin wouldn't have felt shut out by Qui Gon because of his Master's belief in Anakin's destiny.

    All of this may not have stopped Anakin from turning, but it would have created a very different path for Skywalker and arguably the Galactic Civil War, had Qui Gon been alive.
     
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    No, in that event I don't think Anakin would have succumbed to the Dark Side.

    IMO part of the reason for Anakin's turn was losing his first real father figure in Qui-Gon Jinn, who likely would have been a more seasoned mentor and calming influence than Obi-Wan was capable of being (given his age). Furthermore, Qui-Gon would have been a better liaison between Anakin and the Jedi Council. Anakin had 13 years to build a healthy (or unhealthy, as the case may be) resentment of the Jedi Council/Order which Darth Sidious capitalized upon. Qui-Gon could have been that father/mentor figure which helped to ground Anakin. I'm sure Anakin and Padme would still have become involved, but Qui-Gon would not have ben nearly so judgmental. As it was the Council practically and unwittingly pushed Anakin into Darth Sidious' arms. FMM, it worked out the way it had to, Qui-Gon dying (among other events), in order to bring about events as they ultimately unfolded throughout the first six parts of the saga.
     
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    I agree that Qui-Gon would have been less judgmental than Obi-Wan. I think Anakin would have been much more grounded had Qui-Gon trained him because Obi-Wan was as much of a rival as he was a mentor.

    But Anakin was the Chosen One. His fate was to bring balance to the Force. I don't think he could escape his destiny.

    However, there may have been other ways to bring balance to the Force than reducing both sides of the equation to zero. Maybe Anakin could have brought the Sith and the Jedi together somehow. If the passion of the Sith were combined with the selfless nobility of the Jedi...
     
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    Qui-Gon would have returned to Tatooine to free Anakins mother once he had something to trade. I think that would have made all of the difference.
     
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    I doubt it, Shimi would have been a distraction, plus I sense Qui-Gon knew Shimi had made Tatooine her home.
     
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    Qui-Gon could have freed her from Watto and helped her find a new home on Tatooine. Anakin would have had more peace knowing that his mother was not in bondage, even if she was still on Tatooine. In that sense, she would not have been as much as a distraction.

    Also, had Qui-Gon freed Shimi, it's possible she would not have been captured by the Tuskan Raiders, and thus Anakin would not have had been prompted by his nightmares to return to Tatooine and eventually kill that village of Raiders, which was one of the events that sparked his journey towards the dark side.
     
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    If Qui-Gon had freed Shimi I think he would have fallen in love with her, knowing this would be against the jedi code I think he couldn't risk returning again incase those emotions resurfaced, I doubt Anakin's visions would have changed his mother's fate was set in motion if Qui-Gon had have relocated her to another part of Tatooine or even move to Coruscant Sidious would have found it & had her murdered anyway blaming the jedi for the action so Anakin's date with the darkside couldn't have been prevented.
     
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    Why would he have fallen in love with her? That's a bit of a stretch. He never showed any sort of feelings towards her at all. All Jedi have families, they just have to remove all ties to them. Anakin seeing his mother die is what made him so paranoid about loosing Padme. And in turn cause him to become agitated and move him closer to the dark side. If him loosing his Mom in such a way had little effect on him turning to the dark side, then GL wouldn't have put such an emphasis on her death.
     
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    Here's a a possible scenario that could have led Anakin to the Dark Side, even with Qui Gon's guidance: Qui Gon believed fervently that Anakin was the "Chosen One." If he survived, he probably would have reminded Anakin constantly about his destiny and duty. This could have had a two-fold result: Anakin feels burdened by his "destiny," and, like many a teenager, rebelled. Also, it would have reinforced his feelings that he was somehow special, and hence superior to his peers.

    If it played out like this, I could actually envision Darth Vader becoming more evil because his turn was motivated by hubris rather than out of a tragic love that could not be.
     
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    It's good speculation for sure! I'd say "No" to Anakins turning to the dark side, not due to either Masters failings and/strengths, but their perspectives on the Galaxy, people, and the Force. Everyone's reality is based on perspective...how and why you choose to believe the reality of an unknown thing, or even if something exists but has never been seen, you might believe that it is red and I...green.

    I think that Qui-gon had a different perspective, obviously....regarding little Anakin and his "destiny" because nobody else saw it.
     
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    I think that Anakin had to become Vader, necessarily not in the suit, but Vader. I would guess that the force had made a path for him and that if he was to bring balance to the force, he had to take that path. Even though Qui-Gon would have been a great mentor to Anakin would still be under the influence of a powerful sith as we all know as Palpatine and I think he wouldn't have been strong enough emotionally which is proved many times in the movies and The clone wars series. He's time to time emotionally unstable.
     
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    As well bringing balance to the force isn't destroying the sith only, but too make it even in balance between darkness and lightness. Something that Mace Windu used for example. During battle it's said that he fought with the dark side of the force to some extent but not that much that he would fall to the dark side. I' ve heard this from somewhere (I think) or am I just going bananas
     
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    That's the intuitive definition of "balance," but to George, "balance" meant the elimination of the Sith.
     
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    Well I know the prophecy says destroy the sith aswell. Soooo I think that the force's will is to find balance between dark and light. But the Jedi have misunderstood the message and takes it as they are balance. Which they are not in the will of the force. What do you think?
     
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