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Would it be a problem for you if Obi-Wan left Tatooine in this movie?

Discussion in 'Obi-Wan Kenobi' started by HarryShoulders, Jun 27, 2018.

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Issue with Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine in this movie?

  1. Yes - He must stand constant vigil over young Skywalker

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  2. Depends on....

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  3. No - Planet hop away!!!!

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  1. HarryShoulders

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    I know that this movie has a bleak outlook at present, even on Disney streaming, but would you have problems if Obi-Wan left Tatooine during the movie for X,Y,Z reason? Being that a western with limited sets might appeal to the brass following Solo, I can see how that would be an easier sell budget wise.

    However, (although someone of my age should not have) I did kind of partially read the first handful of the YA novella series 'The Last of the Jedi' years back. In those stories, Obi-Wan does leave for a short period. I think it could be cool if there was a reason to get something from the Temple on Coruscant. Something secretive he maybe places within the Skywalker lightsaber or otherwise. I think it could create a lot of tension between the mission getting something from the temple, and getting back in a timely manner for Luke for whatever reason.

    Mostly curious if people have a strong opinion on this.
     
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    I think it would definitely have to be addressed (thus, my vote of "depends).

    He shouldn't leave Luke alone lightly. In fact, the only reason that he should leave at all is to protect Luke.

    Maybe feature Obi Wan catching on to either bounty hunters or Inquisitors that are getting just a little too close to the secret location of Skywalker.
     
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    I think he could probably leave for a little bit, but I don't imagine him straying too far from the outer rim. Maybe we see him helping other refugee Jedi from the the Jedi purge in episode 3 go into hiding and possibly we see Ashoka or even Ezra make an appearance as well.
     
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    I guess it all depends on the why. I mean, surely he would have a good excuse to leave Tatooine. If he left in order to pre-emptively thwart an attempt on Luke's life, or to preserve his hiding place and throw trouble off the scent, then sure. And like you said, it would definitely create tension. Especially if someone discovered Luke's whereabouts and Obi-Wan was intentionally lured off on a wild goose chase...
     
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    I watched ANH last night, and he just seemed to know the ins and outs of the spaceport a little too well, like it wasn't his first rodeo ;). I do enjoy the lore side of SW and would really like Obi-Wan to preserve something meaningful of the Jedi after Anakin went wild. Being off world, would allow him to utilize his saber one last time before ANH as well. I imagine a man in the desert wielding a lightsaber everywhere would spread to the Empire's ears pretty quickly.

    Clearly Obi-Wan would need to abandon his Jedi morals a touch, as he cannot really allow any adversary, to his situation, be left alive. Being that he let Luke get a little pummeled by the Sand people, you have to wonder how close he was watching him.

    I like the idea of him at least attempting to save other Jedi. I also think Ashoka is an inevitability on screen at some point. The one thing I haven't enjoyed about the ST though, is everyone dying left and right. Although, if Ezra died protecting Luke or his identify, it could really enrich his character within the saga.
     
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    I mean, he still came across him relatively quickly. Likely he was just trying to keep back in the shadows, and only revealed himself when it was clear it was necessary.
     
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    I think Obi-Wan should definitely leave. Then, while he’s gone, Luke is killed and we get an alternate timeline version of the OT that justifies why this movie should exist. Any takers? Just me?
     
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    Obi-Wan Kenobi should never leave Tatooine. That's why he sent his clone/twin-brother Ben Kenobi to go to Alderaan instead....
     
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    You mean one these moves........

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    Eghhhh....if it wasn't such a large distance from Tatooine, and it was necessary to protect Luke, I wouldn't see the problem in having him leave the planet for one of Tatooine's moons, or something. Maybe to a ship orbiting the planet. That'd be fine.

    The bigger parameter that needs to be set regarding Obi-Wan traveling about, in my opinion, isn't so much the distance he covers but how far he goes in taking action without fully exposing his identity. Because if he does something cataclysmic that multiple people are aware of, it would only skyrocket questions about why it took over 20 years for the Empire to become aware of him.
     
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    With all due respect, I find this a mildly dangerous question. It's gonna plant a seed in the minds of some fanbois that goes "Obi-Wan must never leave Luke unprotected." Then, if the Kenobi movie takes Obi-Wan somewhere else, those fanbois are gonna scream "But that's disrespecting the fans!"

    All because their fragile egos cannot admit their head canon isn't actual canon.

    So, although I understand the OP's intention isn't to set a fanboi trap, I've seen some of the worst of humanity in Star Wars fandom lately and I won't offer an opinion on whether Obi-Wan should leave Tattooine. Those spoiled brat fanbois have enough ammunition already - I won't contribute any more to their sick arsenal.
     
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    Hopping around hovering ships could be interesting. I agree, he couldn't just leave willy nilly, but will need to put Luke in someone else's care. If they can get Joel Edgerton to reprise his role, then they could give Owen a bit more meat to his story as a protector of Luke, as well as a bitter ending to his relationship with Ben to carry to ANH

    What if Obi-Wan has to perform less than savory actions to acquire transport off world? If a bounty hunter does get information on him or Luke, he can't not follow them off world.

    I suspect they will keep this story more intimate with him reflecting on Anakin, the living force, and his relationship to the Lars/Luke.


    I think we are being tad dramatic here regarding my question, and I trust you can see how you are antagonizing people - hypocrisy is never a good trait to carry. This could be why the various forums are so dulI. If you can't talk about SW, what is the point? Thankfully Obi-Wan doesn't have enough EU to get 'head canon.' I disliked TLJ on many levels, not because of the package, but what it did to the lore and Luke. The Luke I knew of the EU. I don't badger people online because I don't have the time, but I am past anger to the point where I can just make fun of it now in the thread for those who hate the movie when I need to vent. Eventually, that will subside too. I enjoyed Ewan as Obi-Wan and this was a movie I was looking forward to outside of the saga.

    If the story makes sense to have him off world, okay, and if not then it will be a more intimate setting, but the story will need to be there regardless. I think the real issue arises from apathy and whether the audience(s) care about Obi-Wan anymore. If we get an introspective take vs a fun adventure is it going to tank at the box office? Although I have my opinion, I don't have a crystal ball - which is why it may never get made, or why they are angling for a Disney streaming movie. The creators and the fans need to find common ground, and if this movie or IX can't do that, I don't know what to say. There is acidic behavior from many different people and that won't change as long as the internet exists, but I think it is time for LFL to come out and address the fandom and the future, and ask the fans to move forward together. That really needs to happen before Celebration. It really wouldn't take much from the company to do that. You couple that with having all employees social media disengage online with the fans - at least until things are civil again - and you just might keep things cool.
     
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    Yeah, you're right. I could have put that a lot more diplomatically. You were right to call me on that.
     
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    I voted hop away. I couldn't care less if his reason was that he didn't like sand because it got everywhere. No but seriously, why would anyone care? I get that he mentions watching over Luke but what do people think he means by that? If there's a problem with him planet hopping why not a problem with him living, out beyond the Dune Sea? Distance is distance. Why not have a problem with Kenobi not living right next door to the Lars... Larses... the relatives, Lars. Obviously Obi-Wan didn't mean he was going to constantly be up in the Lars' business. He's not shadowing Luke 24-7. He's not constantly on a ridge with macrobinoculars. It doesn't appear from the movies that Luke even ever met Obi-Wan.

    So if people have a problem with Obi-Wan going off planet and leaving Luke behind, why not a problem with going off Lars homestead and leaving Luke behind? Why is episode 4 free from being criticized as it is, if it's so important Obi-Wan constantly be hovering around Luke? It seems to me that Obi-Wan's meaning of "watch over" is pretty loose. Maybe he just meant, he was going to watch over Luke for a little bit of time to make sure the Empire wasn't aware of him. Then when a few months passed was like, "Well, looks like Vader and Palpatine are none the wiser about him having a kid. I could just leave but, might as well live on this planet until Luke comes of age and I can train him. Got no where better to go." No reason not to go off planet if the opportunity should arise.
     
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    See the problem with this is that you're apparently thinking that the fans themselves have a common ground. Like they're the unified group of people who have the exact same desires upon which to find common ground. But they don't. If you start trying to placate one section of fans, no guarantee you're not going to alienate others. There's not even a guarantee that if you were to placate the unruly fans (the ones throwing a fit over Kennedy and trying to undermine the franchise with boycotts and such) that those fans will actually be pacified by the next thing you give them. You know the saying about, give an inch. If I were the leader of the group, and some of our fans didn't like our new direction? Easy. "Don't buy our albums. They're apparently not for you anyway."

    As for the unruly "fans" the best course of action by way of metaphor?

     
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    People that like SW don't want to be unified in loving the franchise? Why is it a bad thing for fans to have fun with the creators?
    It doesn't have to be in the form of plot points a,b,c. You could keep legends material going as legends or utilize more EU -an alternate timeline. You could engage with character, creature, planet, vehicle creation from fan input. Gimmicky as hell, but something in that vein. Anything that will help people have fun again as a collective. I hate the "enjoy it or get lost mentality" thrown around, because it is an easy deflection from criticism from even the most civil. There is enough stuff to share.

    Whether people want to hear it or not, SW was George's. He had the right to do
    as he pleased, but Disney didn't even honor his future vision - maybe the skeletal remains of his ST outline, but either way - the franchise has been around so long and means a lot of things to different people and has grown beyond the institution. The EU was slashed and dead, the OT crew dies - specifically Luke as far as we know, the lore is changed, etc. It was all done so quickly after the sale. People are upset for many reasons, some are obviously ridiculous and if you ignore the unruly people, they tend to give up. You can't control all these people or bar them for SW no matter how bad you want to. I didn't say the movie makers need to bow to every suggestion, but LFL could engage in a positive way to encourage something with the fans. Certainly stoking the fires on social media, low brow websites, YT and generally antagonizing each other in all other corners of the internet is getting old and isn't going to help the situation. Twitter is probably the worst thing that happened to SW in the last 7 months, arguably longer if you count PH.

    Would you consider it a bad thing for LFL to try and unify people by simply making a statement calling for positivity, tolerance and "by the way here is some 'good news' in the world of SW"?

    There are ways to do this and it should be done sooner rather than later.
     
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    Disney/LFL need to take a long hard look at the current division between SW fans, and their response should be to try to balance things a bit more carefully in the future (after all, the theme of SW is all about balance, isn't it?).

    On the one hand, having Obi-Wan leave Tatooine while he's supposed to be looking after Luke is one of those sticky subjects that could create more furor in the hardcore fanbase. On the other hand, among the staples of SW films are cool starships and space battles and visits to exotic planets. So how do you craft a story that incorporates those elements that casual moviegoers love without upsetting the fanbase that is deeply committed to a (sometimes ridiculous and too-rigid) head-canon?

    My off-the-cuff solution is to place Obi-Wan in a situation on Tatooine wherein he is forced to draw his lightsaber (perhaps to protect Luke and/or Luke's adoptive family, or perhaps on one of old Obi-Wan's "damn fool crusades" of which Uncle Owen is so disapproving). News travels fast that someone was seen using a Jedi weapon and this rumor reaches someone (or a group of someones) who knows that they can make a pretty penny by stealing and selling the antique laser sword on the black market, but who also realizes that a real live fugitive Jedi turned over to the Empire would fetch an even more handsome reward. There are a few existing canon characters who might have the badassery to attempt potentially taking on a Jedi, or the movie could introduce someone new. In any case, this villain somehow manages to do the impossible: he/she/they kidnap Kenobi.

    The villain takes Kenobi offworld against his will, and all it takes is a hyperspace jump before he is far from home and from his mission of protecting Luke. He escapes, of course, but he is now away from Tatooine with no easy way back. The entire film from this point is about:

    1) Kenobi's dedication to confronting the threat that his kidnapper poses now that this villain is aware of Kenobi's homebase on Tatooine and his status as a fugitive Jedi (if not his role as Luke's secret guardian)...

    2) Kenobi's thrilling and dangerous adventure during his desperate return to Tatooine in order to resume his careful watch over young Skywalker...

    3) Kenobi's daring game of narrowly avoiding the Empire at every turn.

    In fact, if I were writing the story, I'd throw in another fugitive Jedi (maybe one we know, or maybe someone new) somewhere as a supporting character. This character would give Kenobi's character a comrade for the adventure, could possibly serve as a foil for Kenobi, and would likely have to perish in the final act in order to throw the Empire and/or any other enemies off of Obi-Wan's scent so that he could return peacefully to his place in the bigger story without causing too many ripples in the existing canon, as the Empire would no longer have any reason to suspect Tatooine as a sanctuary for a Jedi since the one they were aware of is now seemingly dead.

    Handling things in this way doesn't seem like it would upset fans (Kenobi never left Luke intentionally), but it would provide the space action that average moviegoers love (probably a lot of it, in fact). It would also tilt the audiences expectations (nobody really anticipates a Jedi being kidnapped, or Obi-Wan leaving Tatooine, or other surviving Jedi), but it never quite turns the expectations upside down (which is, for better or for worse, what TLJ did).

    Honestly, this 10-second synopsis is merely one way of handling things in a balanced way that all SW fans might enjoy. I'm sure that there are dozens of other great ways that Disney/LFL could handle it; my point is simply that it is possible to do something surprising without doing something damaging.

    I'm excited to see what other ideas get explored and debated here!
     
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    I have no trouble with Kenobi leaving Tatooine if the writing justifies it. If say, the danger to Luke/the Universe/the Force/whatever is greater if he doesn't leave to take care of the problem, then of course he should go. Perhaps Bounty Hunters or ISB agents or someone discovers that there's a Skywalker living on Tatooine and Kenobi has to charge after them to chop off their limbs and stop them from carrying this news to the Empire. Something like that could easily work. Now, one would like to see Kenobi put some contingency plan into action to protect Luke while he is gone -- (which Kenobi should do anyway) -- perhaps striking a deal with some scum or a friendly tribe of Tuskens or whatever (<-- probably bad examples, but you get the idea). Writers can make almost anything work. :)
     
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    No, I actually hope he DOES leave Tatooine. Because...What would we be watching if he stayed there for the entire movie? As far as we know, nothing ever happens on Tatooine, at least nothing interesting. I don't want to watch Obi-Wan staring at sand for 2 hours straight. And it's not like Luke is alone in a a cave somewhere and Obi-Wan absolutely can't leave. He has a family, he'd be fine if Obi-Wan left for a couple of weeks.
     
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