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Would this improve The Last Jedi? (A welcome to both "lovers" and "haters"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Shadowblade, Jun 3, 2018.

  1. Shadowblade

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    So, hubris aside, and respectful of the one's who found TLJ flawless, would some of these changes make it more palatable for the ones who aren't at the 10/10 already? Yes, I know this is pure SW fan fiction, and perhaps somewhat predictable, but would this be so bad? Bear in mind, it is just an outline.

    From start to finish:

    1. Get rid of the Poe/Hux call, or make it shorter/cut the humour. Continue to build Hux as a downright scary fascist on the level with Tarkin.

    2. No slow WW2 bombers in defiance of physics in space. Bring in in a-wings or new e-wings instead of the most useless space bombers contrived by man.

    3. Don't go with the "techno-babble" to get a deuce ex machina explanation for the space chase. Let there be a spy, transmitting the co-ordinates to the Empire after each jump. Create real and plausible tension and paranoia aboard the rebel fleet when they realize this instead of "not telling anyone the plan". Finn will be a suspect/arrested with planted evidence leading to him.

    4. Flat out remove Rose Tico.

    5. Let Finn have a new arc to show himself a hero. Don't go with the "I'm a coward that will run away and look after myself" theme again. It was done in TFA, we need to see him evolve past that, as he already did. Let Phasma be his antagonist, don't waste her again.

    6. Luke does not toss away his father's old lightsaber. Let him feel the significance of it...even hear it call out like it did to Rey....before handing it back to Rey. "I expect you will be needing this more than I will" or some such. No mention of a "laser sword".

    7. Show us Luke mourning Han....instead of literally crossing the river to get water (or fish, in this instance), or drinking blue alien milk. Add in some actual lessons to Rey, and alter the timeline somewhat to accomodate this.

    8. Remove the whole Canto Bight plotline.

    9. Let Leia show us some cool force abilities...just don't do it with the stupid "superman scene" where she survives in cold space and opens a door that would depressurize the whole ship. Let her try to locate the spy through the force....and thwart a later assination because of that effort in an attempt through force abilities....though barely surviving and ending in a coma. Holdo takes over, Poe is sceptical, but she shows competance and leadership, showing Poe what he needs to strive to become.

    10. Give Acbar a nice send-off as a diversion to let the rebels escape. Let him go in a blaze og glory, perhaps even ramming the first order using sub-light thrusters (Though no internal logic breaking super hyperspace weapon that makes every other space battles moot)

    11. Let the rebels hit the base sooner instead of an illogical space chase at same speed levels. The spy transmits their co-ordinates, before being found out. When the First order arrives, make it into a desperate to and fro battle similar to Rogue One's. (shield generator... )Let the scenery be different. Don't go with "salt" instead of "snow", and another "gotcha" moment. Come up with something imaginitive. And, let Finn shine here after being released and cleared. He would be well placed to counter the Imperials knowing their tactics in battle. Pair him up with Poe, give that bromance a chance. They face Hux and Phasma in command of enemy ground troops.

    12. Back on treasure Island: Luke explains the reason why he cut himself off from the force. He feels the loss of his students deeply. We see some flashbacks from the temple burning/slaughter, where Luke ultimately failed in preventing it. The Knights of Ren play a part here together with Kylo's betrayal/first order crack troops.

    And he, did have a love interest you see...her name was Mara. Even though they loved each other, the relationship was very complicated, after an intense fall-out he had not seen her for years. He later discovered she died through the actions of the first order, trying to find him through his known associates. Forget the "stroking his lightsaber next to a sleeping 15 year old" explanation.

    Ever since then...he has felt anger...and hate. It calls to him...it too is in his family's legacy. He wants revenge, and he knows it would likely bring him to the dark side if he were to confront Snoke and Kylo directly. He sought out the jedi temple to try to find a new balance...but has not succeeded. The dark hole on the island beckons to him still. There's a black cabinet in his quarters, beckoning.

    14. An awakened Leia attends a holographic meeting with the powers that be in the New Republic, instead of Maz Kanata's comic labour war call. In the meeting some see the rebels as warmongers partly responsible for the destruction caused by Starkiller base. Some are afraid if the first order. Yet others have sympathies for them. We will see Leia make an impassionate attempt to send their forces to confront the first order. The response affords no conclusion.

    15. After the facetiming etc. Luke is still sceptical. Rey goes to see Kylo Ren...Luke distraught. He later touches some of Rey's belongings when he is alone. And a vision hits him. He sees Rey's past, her feelings. And he sees the face of her mother leaving her on Jakku...to hide in safety while she tried to avoid her hunters. The forewhadowed cabinet springs open. We zoom out as we see cracks appearing in the ground around his hut.

    16. Throne room...things go similar to TLJ. Yet, Snoke reveals a little more of his origins. Basically, he is just a power hungry dark force user not aligned with the Sith. Shying the scene while Sidious and Vader was around..the rule of two explaining this...rising when they were gone. And no...he does not get cheapshotted by Kylo, yet the attempt is made and thwarted.

    17. An urgent message reaches the throne room. "Enemy x-wing approaching" "somehow the fire teams do fail to fire". We get to see Luke fly on in, similar to Anakin in episode 3 above Coruscant, blasting through a hangar bay with his iconic ship. Snoke orders his men to secure the throne room. We get to see a Jedi master in action, Luke's full potential, eventually breaking past them to the Throne room despite their best efforts. Forget about Vader in R1...this would be awesome, and brutal. He wields a red lightsaber, locked away on his cabinet... That too, belonged to his father. His face is contorted with anger and hate. A quick scene with Leia, feeling that something terrible is happening with Luke.

    18. Luke enters. Rey/Kylo subdued. Snoke is still confident/boastful. He gives a little speech about everything going as planned, with Luke now in the open. Snoke is sure Luke is no match for Snoke and the dark side...especially with his Praetorian guard closing in. They have been training for years to take down Luke. Luke is struck by force ligtning...some of the guard are within striking distance. Suddenly we see force lightning erupt from Luke, blasting back towards a surprised Snoke. The nearest Preatorian guard are force choked. Rey and Kylo are released as Snoke as snoke needs all his force powers to counter Luke.

    19. Back on the rebel base Phasma/Finn get their epic showdown after butting heads through the battle tactics. Poe leads the air defense, trusting Holdo's orders. Things still look grim though, even though the first order are hurt, they are fighting a losing battle.

    20. A mixed battle ensues in the throne room. Rey/Kylo teaming up against the Preatorians, Snoke and Luke going 1 one 1, in a true darkside duel. Snoke realises that a turned Luke is his worst nightmare armed with the destructive powers of the dark side. The son has picked up the legacy of his father...

    21. Just when things are starting to fall apart on the ground, allied factions swayed by Leia turn up in a surprise rescue offensive, clearing a way and securing a landing zone to get the surviving rebels out. SOme of them will be wookiies...led by Chewie in the Milennium Falcon. Holdo valiently sacrifices herself to cover the evacuation.

    22. Luke eventually kills Snoke. Painfully, taking pleasure in it. Taunting him... Then he turns to Kylo, who has fought back to back with Rey. Still ambigious if he fought to save his own skin or has had a change of heart. Luke attacks to kill him too. Rey ultimately stops him...force-linking with Leia...now aware through searching her feelings who Leia and Luke are to her. Her family. Getting through at last...we see Luke turn back to the light mainly through Rey (and Leia). His love conquering his anger and hate.

    23. Kylo retreats behind reinforcements sent by a competent Hux...perhaps truly betrayed by his former master and uncle this time. Rey and Luke fight their way to a ship, and escapes, linking up with the beaten rebels on the evacuation ships. We see a happy reunion of the main cast and new cast. Hux curses them as they leave. In the background we sense the power vacuum left by Snoke, Kylo/Hux both manouvering to take control in an uneasy alliance. Kylo sends for his knights to strengthen his position, setting up some strong players for IX.

    The film ends with open questions and a lot to look forward to. Is there hope for Kylo? How will power intrigues within the first order go, and not to say the entire galactic forces in regards to choosing sides/getting themselves involved fully. Will Luke stay on track on the light side onwards? How will he and Rey form a relation/Rey's real training go with a master prone to the weakness of the Skywalker anger?
     
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    I think TLJ needs these things:
    - Finn and Poe adventure
    - Kylo on Ahch-To (facing is uncle), maybe the KOR are with him
    - shorten the movie about 20-30 minutes
    - reduce the humor
    - more Kylo and Hux together on the screen
     
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    If only Rian consulted with JJ first
     
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    Honestly, Nah!
     
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    To accept TLJ for me, all I'd need is a change to Luke's reasoning for cutting himself off. Lose the whole creepy feel to Luke by him entering his sleeping child nephews room and reading his mind. Take that out and the rest is at least tolerable.

    I didn't expect, nor did I really want a Luke in action. I mean, it could work if done right, but it wasn't necessary. I do find Luke's failure in your version more believable than that of TLJ, but again, I'm not entirely convinced it would work on film.

    Some of the other fixes would be great, but not necessary. Most of them however would improve TLJ by bits and pieces, but even if you fix everything else but Luke's creepiness, to me TLJ would still be difficult to watch.

    So for me, the short and the long of it, don't make Luke creepy. Thanks.
     
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    fix the worldbuilding of TFA....make the first order into a energy superpower who has access to kyber crystals which is the economic lifeblood of the galaxy, given the first order unimaginable amounts of wealth to invest in their economy. This is ultimately a more complex and interesting setting for the ST, because destroying the first order means tanking the economy again after the destruction of the death star caused the galactic economy to sink 50 percent overnight. This introduces moral ambiguity into the story. As well as make the post ROTJ era actually interesting, because much of that era is a post apocalyptic economic wasteland.

    Replace Snoke with plagueis can actually reduce the backlash significantly. Plagueis has the benefit of being a economic genius who orchestrated and funded the rebelllion in the movies as well as being the father of Anakin skywalker. Creating a villian who has actual connections and re-conceptualize the original saga in a meaningful way before he is killed off.
     
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    Yes, the majority of those suggestions would be a tremendous improvement.
     
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    You know, I've got a feeling that the people who are mad that Luke wasn't apparently "heroic" enough in the last Jedi would still support this for some reason.

    Let's be real, a lot of people just wanted Luke to be a macho action hero here, and even this wild clash with his character would be supported by a large section of the peanut gallery.
     
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    Theirs some good ideas their. But unfortunately, the film has been made now. For me what would have improved it most was just getting to go on one decent adventure with Mark Hammill as Luke Skywalker Jedi Master. I can't remember a time in my life when I wasn't excited about seeing that, we've got to read about it books and then the Trilogy was announced and I like so many fans were beyond excited that we were going to get to see it on the big screen.

    The fact we didn't get that adventure before they killed off Luke so we will now never get it, will always be my biggest disappointment with the last Jedi. I could of handled the constant need to subvert expectations, the basic two films of asking whose Rey was for the answer to know one which she may have known all along, the weakly plotted out script, the terrible humour, Hux's stupid face,......... and all the other none sense if they had just given us a decent adventure with Luke Skywalker Jedi master.

    I'm really happy for those who loved the film, but for me, it is the disappointing fan experience I've ever had.
     
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    The suggestions evolved from decent changes on things that I had slight issues with to a full on bad fanfic. No thank you.
     
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    Why do folks consider evil old conniving Palpatine as a reliable narrator or seemingly want to?

    The story works best in my opinion if Plagueis is just a lie to snooker Anakin into his bidding.

    That aside few give a tinker's damn about him either way, he was a throw away mention from an wicked liar. This is a prequelist wish item not something vexing the world at large.

    There is no need for Snoke to be anyone you are familiar with at all. This is a galaxy not an HOA, a PTA meeting, or a Moose Lodge.
     
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    I know you guys like the Godfather but wouldn't it be better with a few minor changes.

    1. Get rid of the mob stuff.

    2. Since we are getting rid of the mob stuff Corleone can't be a Don, let's have him be a guy that everyone would want to care for their children if they were unable to do so.

    3. Why are they Italian? There aren't enough movies about immigrants from Belgium!

    4. There aren't a lot of immigrants from Belgium so they can't really have this whole neighborhood and various relations nonsense so we can replace that thread with the difficulties of finding good Carbonade flamande.

    5. Gimme a ton of song and dance numbers with ad lib comedy interludes that break the fourth wall.

    6. Michael should really discuss work with Kaye more, it is such a big part of his life that they don't get to share.

    7. Sonny shouldn't be a hot head and he shouldn't be called Sonny either. Something like Brandt would be ever so much better!

    9. Wedding make me blue, let's make it a funeral for Vito's mother where he receives random insults from everyone in town along with beautifully made pastries and heartfelt condolences :)

    10. Hear me out on this...A Death Star...maybe two!
    Thank about it some of the most awesome, beloved, and profitable movies ever have featured Death Stars and when the Fredo character blows them both up with one shot from across the universe it will literally be the greatest twist and greatest feel good moment ever! Like totally!
     
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    Those changes would make it different but I don't think things that are subjective can be improved. Changing it would change many individual reactions - some positively some negatively - but in the end it's not really improvement, it's change.

    Yeah there were a lot of people hoping to see Luke doing some prequelesque lightsaber action scenes. I was of the mind that we shouldn't see Luke so much as ignite a lightsaber. And while I can't say I actively liked the route they took with Luke (though I didn't actively dislike it, either) I really liked what they did with him after he got his mojo back. That they came up with a way for him to actually face down the First Order by himself, and ignite a lightsaber and engage in a duel, all while at the same time, not doing so - to me that was genius. It was like, the ultimate use of the force for defense only. And while prior to that I thought, I don't recognize this man, once he got his head back I was like, that's Luke Skywalker.
     
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    Absolutely.

    Part of the problem of the movie is that Luke is in conflict. He's in a crisis when we catch up with him, and this isn't the heroic Luke that is so appealing to think about.

    But if you let those early scenes in the film define Luke for you, and ignore the ending... you do him such a disservice. It's like remembering a family member when they were at their lowest and most vulnerable instead of when you loved them the most.

    The crazy thing is, the film absolutely gave fans a Luke to remember by the end, but so many people choose to ignore him instead.
     
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    How is it the fans fault for not liking what a Director did to a character? How is he allowed to have such a liberty and then just wash his hands, "oh well! didn't like it? I guess you have a problem then, deal with it." type stuff. When it comes to remembering Luke, I go to ROTJ. You don't speak for all of us fans regarding Luke Skywalker, He's not the kind of Luke I want to remember, and why should I be forced to remember him like that? I refuse.
     
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    That's not at all what I'm saying, though?

    What I'm saying is that any complaint about Luke being too pacifist, grumpy, uninvolved, etc... any of that is completely invalid if you actually watch the movie and see the ending. Like it or not, that's his arc, and his story didn't end with him simply abandoning Rey and dying in obscurity, despite what you might think by reading angry fanboy comments.

    Think what you want, of course, and remember Luke how you want. But I can't help but think it ironic that my last post be so poorly misinterpreted, when that's basically what happened with Luke's story with many fans as well.
     
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    Plenty hated...with burning passion (lol)...what type of Anakin we got in the PT. But we still showed up for ROTS. Chasing more creators away from SW cannot be the solution, yet again. And I know that because I was one of those people. It's useless.

    It's ironic though, that once something goes 'wrong', the fanbase goes crazy, angry, and boycotts the Galaxy....but somehow doesn't relate to Luke Skywalker in this film? lol
     
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    I don't want to relate with who he was inTLJ! lol It's too real man. Let go of your hate I guess would be the proper course of action, but it gives me focus, makes me stronger; in time maybe I can learn to relax and just accept it I guess.
     
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    Belated Media, is that you??

    lol
     
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    Frankly I find not accepting the events of one of the films to be entirely delusional.
     
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