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Would you prefer Luke, Leia and Han as main characters or cameos?

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by Boss Vos, Jul 20, 2018.

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What would you prefer?

  1. Have them appear as main characters

    2 vote(s)
    9.1%
  2. Cameos only, focus on new characters instead

    9 vote(s)
    40.9%
  3. No cameos at all, I don't want to see them in this!

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    22.7%
  4. A combination of both leads and cameos

    6 vote(s)
    27.3%
  5. Other (specify below)

    0 vote(s)
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  1. Boss Vos

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    Tarkin was the head of the Death Star in Episode IV. In Rogue One, they made Krennic the head of the Death Star, so it was pretty essential to the storyline that they showed how Krennic lost that power to Tarkin. Also, in a movie that pretty much revolves around the Death Star, it made sense that Tarkin had a part in the story. Of course you could have just skipped Tarkin altogether, but that would've been very, very LAZY screenwriting.

    I don't know about you, but I prefer good screenwriting. If you're ok with lazy screenwriting, that's fine.

    Of course, they could have had Ian McDiarmid reprise his role as the Emperor in a hologram, and tell Krennic that his "unacceptable actions have made him unfit for the continued supervision of the Death Star, and that further operations will be handled by Governor Willhuff Tarkin". In all seriousness though, wouldn't that have felt more like forced fan service? By actually making Tarkin a real character with multiple scenes in the movie, I feel like they moved away from that cliché "fan service cameo/shoutout" and actually made him part of the story. Big preps for that.
     
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    no, i'm just okay with a galaxy that's bigger than five characters.
    it's actually the opposite of lazy writing to make up a new character that would make sense in context of the project and power structure.
     
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    In this case, it doesn't. You can't just ignore established lore and history just for the sake of diversifying your film.

    You got 10+ new characters in Rogue One. They could easily have switched Jyn to Leia and made her the protagonist instead, but they didn't.
     
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    i honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Leia being Jyn? "diversifying"?

    hot take: Commander Picklehead answers to Tarkin (unseen) and he takes over Krennic's project by force. Picklehead is an ambitious rising star in the Empire and he knows if he steals Krennic's glory, it will seal his position with Tarkin and the Emperor. furthermore, he and Krennic have always been rivals and once he peed in Krennic's cheerios, which Krennic has sworn to avenge. as a bonus, at the end of the movie, Picklehead's plans are all for naught as he receives a comm from Tarkin (still unseen) that the project is being suppressed and Picklehead's being court-martialled/executed for firing on Scariff.

    i know ~ i'm making stuff up and some of it is silly. my point is, it doesn't ignore established lore and it potentially raises the stakes.
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    it gives us new characters to expand the world while also providing an extra reversal that makes Tarkin's legacy even more cruel.

    if we didn't need Leia to be Jyn, then we could have had Picklehead instead of Tarkin.
    all it takes it imagination.

    again: the exact opposite of laziness.
     
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    I don't even know why I need to explain it further. I explained it very simple: by changing Jyn to Leia, they could have used an already established character as the main character instead of making a new one. IOW, Leia is the main focus of the story and she is part of the "Rogue One" group that steals the Death Star plans in the film. Why was this so hard to understand? The point I was making was that you said you prefer new characters instead of old ones, and that's what you got. I tried to tell you that they could've gone the easy way instead by making Leia the main character, but they didn't. Still you complain about them using Tarkin for a little bit in the movie, since you thought it was unneccessary and they "could have just used a new character instead", even though you got a new character - Krennic! Likewise, they could have used Tarkin for the whole movie instead of Krennic.

    The "problem" with your take is that you're still bound to Tarkin, no matter what. No matter what new character you create, you still need to have that connection to Tarkin since he is in charge of the Death Star in Episode IV. Krennic is a new character, and that's enough. He is the main villain of this film, not Tarkin. Tarkin is simply there to serve the established lore and history.
     
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    exactly: instead they made a new one: which is what i'm suggesting they should have/could have done with Tarkin.

    right: and my point is that you never have to show him. therefore, no squicky cgi dead man resurrection.

    my whole argument is that i personally don't like squicky dead man fan service Tarkin resurrection.
    you said not using Tarkin would go against canon lore and be "lazy writing";

    and yet there's apparently nothing lazy or against canon lore about Jyn.
    so i think we're all good here?
     
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    On its own I would agree that Rogue One didn't need Tarkin, but after reading Catalyst and Tarkin I definitely appreciate him being in it because I think it allowed for further development of his character. If Tarkin isn't in Rogue One, then he probably wouldn't have been in Catalyst and the dynamic between him and Krennic was something I found really interesting. Couple that novel with their dynamic in Rogue One and you get a really engaging look at the political power struggle in the Empire high command. I don't think you get that same feel with just another imperial officer since Tarkin carries so much power behind his character when we meet him in Episode IV.
     
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    that's fair. and i'm glad it works for people. i still haven't read Catalyst (not sure whether it was written before or after Rogue One, but i'm guessing after?).
    at the end of the day i've made my peace with creepy cgi Tarkin. i appreciate they committed to the choice and that Cushing's estate gave their blessing.
    but it's not something i want to see in movies. call me old-hat; i'm no fan of this technology used to this extensive degree. i would rather see a recast, frankly.
     
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    I believe it came out right before Rogue One came out and it leads right up to where Rogue One picks up. It was a really interesting book because it follows the characters from the end of the Clone Wars through the early days of the Empire. I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed it and it was the first canon novel I ever read. It does get into the nitty gritty when it comes to the science behind the Death Star so I heard that turned some people off of the book, but I found it all very interesting.
     
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    Give me some Sebastian Stan as Luke and recast Wedge for frigs sake and give us some more magic from the best pilot in the galaxy.
     
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    OMG, Leia instead of Jyn. That would have been awesome!! (finding an actress play her would have been a great idea, the actress that played Jyn could have passed for Leia:p). Imagine Leia gathering the team to steal the DS plans, spunky Leia would have been cool. Leia on a mission to recruit an extremist (Saw G.) on Jedha, Leia on a mission to save Galen Erso. Cassian would have been one of the guys before Han like in the Solo movie... Qi'ra b4 Leia... Bail Organa giving Leia the mission to find OB1!!!
     
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