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Would you use CGI to save Boba Fett

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Talon Karrde, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. Talon Karrde

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    NOTE: I am making an assumption in this thread that this future release of the OT will be simliar to the 2006 limited editions in that it will have the OTR (or OOT) on one disc and Disney's SE version (for their reconfigured official 'Canon') on the other. Please note this is not about changing the OTRs. This is regarding the version that will be considered 'official canon'.

    Ok, we all know Boba Fett's death in ROTJ sucks. Really sucks. Sucks so bad that his name has become synonymous with crappy villain deaths.
    It's also no secret that a whole lot of Star Wars fans hate CGI. Terabytes of server data on the internet have been dedicated to expressing Star Wars fan's disgust at CGI in both the OT and the PT.

    Of course, technically speaking, Boba Fett is not dead. The EU had long established his escape from the pit. And when the EU was converted from 'canon' into 'legends', Lucas himself made it clear that Boba Fett still survived. Still, it sure as hell looks like he dies no matter what version you're watching.

    So with rumors of a 'Disney Release' of the OT in the works, I posit this question to the wretched hive: Would you use CGI (or heck, even practical effects) to visibly save Boba Fett from his lousy 'death' in a new canon version of ROTJ? And if you do, feel free to give a brief treatment of how you would go about doing it. All techniques are on the table. Or conversely, feel free to give an explanation of why you would keep it the way it is. Any reason is valid.

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    I think they're probably going to handle this in the opening scene of the Boba Fett spin-off film, assuming that current rumors pan out and the film takes place concurrently with the sequel trilogy.

    But given the amount of CGI nonsense that Lucas already laid on ROTJ, I could certainly see them adding a little insert shot that shows Fett blasting the Sarlacc open and jetting up out of there in the background as the skiff carrying Luke and everyone else zips away from the exploding sail barge.
     
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    The only thing I don't get is if he was able to escape why would he let Han just get away and not try to find him? Seems he'd be pretty pissed not that he lost the bounty but off of the principle of losing the man he's trying to kill or whatever. I feel like the EU explained it as he finally got out and then just sorta forgot about Han.
     
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    Precisely what I was imagining as well.

    As for the main post, not sure what could be done to "save" him with just a CGI edit, other than something that seems plain goofy. Well, firstly, I would make sure to leave the silly "beak" the SE introduced out of it.

    The only thing I can think of at the moment is editing the last part so that he manages to fall into the sand and then spread out all his arms and legs to stop rolling halfway down, perhaps. I suppose he can't grapple onto anything as Luke already destroyed his cable, and his jet-pack malfunctioned, so he'll have to start climbing his way up under careful physical power. Something somewhat similar to Jango climbing his way up on Kamino is what I envision, just with sand.



    The main problem I'd see with that is you'd be left wondering why he didn't show up for the rest of the film. Though going off the films alone, we don't know if revenge is necessarily a thing he's concerned with, or if he'd just move on to the next reliable source of credits.
     
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    The tentacles were always there - it was the "Little Shop Of Horrors" beak that was added via CGI later on. And yes, I'd ditch that from the entire thing and go back to the more static creature that they originally had.

    Only way to really make it work as an edit to ROTJ, since there's that big wipe to the space shot just after the skiff zooms away, is to use stock footage of the Sarlacc to create a BRIEF new shot of Fett blasting/flamethrower-ing his way out of the Sarlacc, insert that shot just before the sail barge blows, and then add a little guy on a rocket back arcing up and away from the Sarlacc in the long shot of the sail barge going kerblooie.

    BUT... I think the more logical solution would be to create new scene at the very beginning of the stand-alone movie, recapping the sail barge explosion and then showing Fett blasting out of there afterward. More a Fett-centered version of the end of the familiar sail barge scene, using some ROTJ footage, but mostly using new footage.
     
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    Heh, yeah, blame it on the brain. I meant the beak thingy indeed, just got it all wrong in my typing. If I remember correctly, doesn't it have a "whine" as well?

    I agree the "best" way to make such an explanation would require a scene in a new movie. I think regardless of what changes they could make to the OT, the majority of us wouldn't accept it for various reasons.
     
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    Hey, my brain does the same thing (alarmingly moreso with each passing year!) so I hear you. And I can't remember if the new beak-thingy Sarlacc had any extra whining sounds added or not. There were already some odd screeches in the original version.

    Chief among them being the fact that changes to the OT films stick out like a sore thumb at this point. (Although, if they'd just give us the damned "Coke Classic" version of the OT films in hi-def anamorphic once and for all, I don't think there would be quite the push-back from the fans that the SE versions have always gotten.)
     
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    No to CGI.
    Everyone should keep their hands off the OT once and for all, it' messed up enough.
    I just want the unaltered hi-def anamorphic blu-ray 4K version of the Original Trilogy.
    Who needs the SE can go and buy it, I want to sell it, if a unaltered version is coming out.
    I want the untouched movies from my childhood back as basic as they were.

    Back to Boba Fett:
    They can use the Boba Fett spin off to explain his escape. (or the movie plays prior to Ep.VI)
    By the way Boba Fett died in RotJ.
    EU is not canon anymore (good decision imo) and I think George Lucas never intended that Fett would survive Ep.VI.
     
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    As the OP stated correctly, GL said that Boba did indeed escape. Either way, enough with the alterations of the OT. If there is a movie dedicated to BF, then it should be discussed where in the timeline this film exists. I've read about a Bounty Hunter film that tasks a set of hunters to procure the DS plans. I've read about a BH movie that includes Han Solo (please just no). Now I'm reading about a post EVI movie with Fett in it...Ye gods!

    Firstly, I'm done with prequels. I just don't care about characters that have zero jeopardy whatsoever. I firmly believe that was one of the main points about the prequels (granted I realized this going in) that turned me off; I can elaborate on that if asked.

    The idea of a Boba Fett film between VI and VII is interesting. The viewer should be thrust into the action and let the story unfold - perhaps an allusion to the battle over the Pit of Carkoon or a denouement scene where they explain it without it seeming incredibly cheap or lame.

    Either way I'm excited for more Star Wars, let's hope the new filmmakers show some restraint and intelligence!
     
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    I was thinking the same exact same thing. Show a background shot of Boba shooting out of the sarlaac pit then show him crash land a few yards away exhausted, out of breath, crawling slowly showing some damage from the sarlaac tongue digging its way into his body.

    I agree use same footage from original . nobody would be paying any attention due to the awesome escape Luke had orchestrated.
     
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    Yes, but I don't buy it.
    George Lucas changed his mind, thats all.
    I would bet some money that he never intended Boba Fett surviving the movie during the principal cinematography of Ep.VI in 1983.
    Boba Fett became really popular afterwards, he is a iconic figure and a fan favourite.
    I don't mind it that George Lucas changed his opinion years later (EU books/comics), I like Boba Fett too.
    There is no question about it that his death in RotJ was wasted.
    Yes Boba Fett is alive, but he is a fictional character, in 1983 there was certainly no plan of using him any further.
    Money talks sometimes, give the people what they want, if it didn't hurt the franchise, so why not resurrect Boba Fett.
     
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    I would contend that the Lucas that created Return of the Jedi was already a "changed mind" from the Lucas that created Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. And I believe that the Lucas that made those first two films did not want to see a key character he had been constructing since the mid-70s tossed away like a piece of rubbish.
     
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    The thing is, Lucas never saw Boba Fett as a key character. That's why he gave him such a lame-ass throwaway death in ROTJ. He later expressed surprise at the fan outcry over that, because he just didn't get that people dug Boba Fett despite his limited screen time in ESB.

    Yes, now all these years later he saw how marketable the character was and came around to the EU way of thinking as far as Fett having later escaped the Sarlacc. But as of 1983, that was most definitely a death scene and not a character cliffhanger.
     
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    I see it in the same way.
    Boba became a fan favourite.
    George Lucas never intended that Boba Fett would survive the movie during the principal cinematography of Ep.VI in 1983.
    The mysterious character of Boba Fett is $, he just recognized it later and made up his mind.
     
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    I just imagined him blasting his way out of the Sarlacc with whatever remained in his arsenal. He must've had something.
    Perhaps we didn't see him the rest of the film because he was hurt? Getting out of the Sarlacc is only half the problem. The other half is making your way through the desert back to civilization. If you have an injury like a busted leg, I'd say the desert would be even more dangerous.
     
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    Well, I see a character that was meant to be a major player in the storyline and was considerably relegated to a minor role as story revisions took place. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point.

    My personal thoughts approaching this edit were:
    Scene occurs between Luke's conversation with Ben and the first Rebel Fleet scene (Briefing Scene). Involves a PFX/CGI blend:
    Dusk over Sarlacc pit, faint light from smoldering and burning wreckage of the barge. Shot perspective has us level with the ground. The Sarlacc makes an interrupted scream at a massive explosion eminated from it's pit. A mushroom cloud and chunks of biomass are seen. We then see flames and flaming tentacles writhing and dying. Visibly weak, panting, clothing ripped and covered in strange fluids Boba Fett crawls his way out of the pit(rocket missle noticably missing). Exerting himself to stand, he turns and gazes long upon the remains of Jabba's barge. He reaches behind what remains of his scarf and withdraws a small holopad.
    In typical Star Wars fashion, a visage of Vader promptly appears.
    Fett: "Skywalker took the bait."
    Vader: "So, he has finally emerged from hiding. I will handle things from here, bounty hunter."
    Vader's visage dissaprears and Slave I can be seen on approach in the background. Williams original score returns and we wipe to the Rebel Fleet.

    Ok, the dialogue is odd. I wanted to convey a reason the Boba was skulking around Jabba's palace. So I thought it might make sense that Vader would be expecting Luke to make a predictable move; rescue his friends. Knowing how powerful his son would become once his training neared completion, Vader might calculate that Boba Fett might be one of the few people who could survive the encounter. Good reason to keep him close to Jabba's new trophy.
     
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    He was never meant to be a major player back 1979 nor in 1983.

    I read or saw this interview too.
    George Lucas is the creator, he told like it was back then, what kind of proof do you need Mr. Karrde? this is really first hand proof.
     
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    First hand proof!? You better be slapping some links down before you start claiming that.
    Now, I played nice. But you can't seem to let this go. This entire 'diversion' was predicated on your ignorance to offical canon. I know you like the OOT (OTR) and I understand you hate the SEs; that's fine. We're not talking out changing those films. And you're certainly welcome to have your 'personal canon' any way you want it be. Boba Fett dead? cool. But an 'official' canon version based on Disney's view is what I based this thread on.
    I get that you don't the scene changed under any circumstances. And like I said in my OP, it's a totally valid reason. Let's move on.
     
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    I can't show any hard evidence to you, I don't know at the moment where I saw or read it, it was years ago. (I think it was a video, but not sure)
    You have to take my word for it, I'am not a liar and DEKKA129 either.
    George Lucas really sad it in a similar way, that is not a claim from me. (for myself it's proof enough to hear it from the creator himself)
    I nearly forgot about it, because it was not a important information to me, but I remembered it after DEKKA129 mentioned it in his post.
    He is a staff member, do you really think he did not do his homework and writes intentionally wrong information?

    Back to Boba Fett, I really like him and I'am glad that he is alive in the new official canon.
    If they really plan a spin off about Bounty Hunters and Boba Fett, they could show us his escape from the sarlac pit, but messing around with OT again?
    Please no, it got raped and milked enough or not?
    To have him escaping in a new shot in EP.VI would make no sense, he does not appear in the rest of the movie, because his appearance was finished with his death in RotJ (1983 version).
    The official canon is a bit different to what was filmed back in 1983 have this in mind, don't call me ignorant for that, I don't filmed or planned the movies.
    I was just stating that George Lucas never intented Fett to survive Ep.VI in 1983, this honor/credit belongs fully to him.
     
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