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Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by C2P2, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. C2P2

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    So now the sequel trilogy is over, and the Skywalker saga has ended, how would you have written the sequel trilogy?

    I would have loved to see them go down the Jacen, Jaina, Anakin Solo & Ben Skywalker route personally.

    Would love to hear other ideas
     
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    I kind of enjoyed the Thrawn trilogy, Timothy Zhan created such good characters. But the novel sometimes feel immense and was kind of boring when I read it long time ago.
    And after that I don't remember of reading anything else with these characters created by TZ. So, to me there's no nostalgia about them.

    I am glad that Disney Lucasfilm decided to go to another way and started all over again. I loved the sequel trilogy and there's almost nothing that I would like to change. Probably a diferent ending, more creative even with the return of Palpatine.
     
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    I would have mixed up an adaption of the Thrawn Trilogy with Dark Empire, it would have been amazing on the big screen. I would change some things to make it more accessible though.
     
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    1. Star Wars Force Awakens: Rey finds out who her parents are. Force Ghost Great Grandaughter of Obi-wan's master. Qui-Gon Jinn and Great Great Great-granddaughter of the Emperor. Death of Han Solo by Kylo. Explain how the Republic fell into the New Order. So how Rey train and had Leia train her since we know that Leia had some force in her. Holdo comes and joined Rey. Leia would become Qui-Gon Jinn to Rey. Holdo becomes Obi-wan.

    2. Star Wars The Last Jedi: Finn finds out who his parents were. The great-grandson of both Lando and Mace Windu. Mace Windu was Snoke. The Death of Leia. Chewie hugged, Leia. Captain Phasma was the one who kidnapped Fin to become a stormtrooper.

    3. Star Wars Rise of Skywalker: Jar Jar Blinks as the Sith Lord and reveals the first Sith Ghosts would become Force Monsters. The death of Luke Skywalker. Holdo and Poe cause it kinda remind me of Han and Leia.
    Sidenote: (I'm trying to write a fanfiction of star wars. I need some help. Please help me by PM me.)
     
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    Could someone help me with the Star Wars legends? I never got into those comics of Star Wars. Could you guys help me with what happened between 6 and the 7 episodes? Please PM if you want to teach me all the legends of Star Wars.
     
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    I used to think that Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau were primarily kid-friendly content makers - but after seeing the first season of The Mandalorian, I wish their project had been used as the ST instead.

    I mean the TV version is actually working out pretty well anyway, but I have to say, I'm way more impressed with the Mandarlorian than the ST.
     
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    Oh no...I've been waiting for this opportunity...

    I've been reworking TLJ for a couple of years. It started out as a little exercise; a private conversation between me and Rian Johnson on what the story could and should have been, and what I could take from it to my own future writings. After TROS, it turned into a rework of the entire trilogy. It's still not complete, but I've learned some things about writing and storytelling along the way, so it's far from a waste. Anyways let's get started!


    THE FORCE AWAKENS:
    TFA is left mostly as it is (minus Finn drinking from the animal water trough. I get it, he's thirsty; but at the same time, I'm a little offended by it as a black man). I'm still working on how to rework this, as I think it's as perfect as it could have been for the franchise.

    The two differing choices I toy with are making the F.O. the now-ruling establishment of the New Republic. I always enjoyed George Lucas' themes of how empires are created in the PT. It felt almost natural for the Separtists to become the Rebellion. Here I kind of wanted to explore the opposite. The New Republic is now in a conservative phase, trying to recapture the "glory" of their empire days. First Order is a slogan of sorts, and a slang name for the government now. Leia, unable to stop it, saw the signs on the wall and bail(Organa)ed, creating the Resistance to stand up to the F.O.

    OR having an all-out battle between three forces - the New Republic, the Remnant, and the First Order. But that can also be saved for future stories too.

    The other change I'm toying with are the Knights of Ren. These guys are wasted in the movies, sadly, and aren't scary because of it. Here I'd like to see a small sub-plot with Kor Sella (the girl on Hosnian Prime when it was blown up), after failing to gather reinforcements for the New Republic, trying to save her family from the eminent destruction. The Knights of Ren are hunting her down, as they know she's close to Leia and may know the location of the Resistance base. This would play with horror tones, and end in tragedy with Kor's family being slaughtered, and Kor taken away, and her home planet of Hosnian Prime destroyed.

    The reason I toy with this is to not only instill a sense of dread and fear in the audience whenever the KoR show up, but to give viewers an emotional attachment to Hosnian Prime. We need to feel the horror the characters feel. Any audience member who's seen the ST already knows what SKB is, so give us a reason to care why it's being used.

    The rest of TFA goes as it already does. Now, onto the Big One. TLJ has the most changes. In these "revisions" I always try to keep true to the writer's intent and core. So scenes like Canto Bight are still present, but who goes is changed. RJ likes character binaries (angel and devil sort of parallels), whereas I'm a fan of reflecting different aspects of characters in multiple, other characters.

    THE LAST JEDI:
    Poe's dreadnaught battle stays the same. The Resistance escapes and the Snoke's forces follow. Snoke demeans and abuses Kylo, Kylo gets angry and goes to attack the Resistance. Here, instead of a fake-out, there actually IS another space battle.

    Poe mentions that the Resistance needs pilots; a newly awakened Finn tells Poe to prep him a ship (echoing Kylo's line minutes earlier), only for the next cut of him to be in the gunner's position - this serves as a nice throwback to his experiences with Rey and Poe. In this battle Poe FINALLY gets a chance to fight Kylo Ren; but once again is so focused on destroying the enemy in front of him that he misses Kylo's wingmen, who destroy the command center. During this battle, Finn also starts as a gunner, but his ship is hit and the pilot dies (echoing Luke in ESB). Finn takes over the pilot's position and survives the fight.
    There's a cut of Holdo listening to Finn's audio, watching ominously. Instead of retreating back to the base (like Poe will do when Finn radios him), Kylo puts a destination in his ship and leaves.
    After the battle, Holdo is left in charge of the fleet while Ackbar commands the Raddus itself. Finn meets Rose and they figure out hyperspace tracking. Poe decides it's "his responsibility" to save the fleet and goes on the mission with Rose. Finn's job is to stay aboard the Raddus and make sure everyone is able to escape when it's time. Finn has a headache, but brushes it off as his "reconditioning wearing off, I think." (Every time Finn has a headache, Rey's next scene involves a ForceTime with Kylo.) Finn also entrusts Rey's tracker to Poe - if the fleet goes down, at least Rey will be safe.
    Holdo doesn't trust Finn, despite what he has done. In her mind, she thinks the F.O. may have sacrificed SKB in order to move their plan forward; so she doesn't tell Finn - and by proxy any other spies - her plan. (Parallel this to Rey calling Kylo a monster and him accepting it with Holdo calling Finn a monster and him rejecting it).
    Canto Bight goes about the same way, but Poe doesn't realize that Rose's sister was Paige Tico. Yet. On Canto Bight, instead of running into DJ in jail, they run into another character - Zorri Bliss. Poe and Zorri get into a fight, but as Zorri sneaks out, Poe and Rose are able to convince Zorri to join their side for one mission. During the escape from Canto Bight, Poe finds out that Rose's sister was Paige, and how she died for almost nothing.

    As the Resistance ships are sacrificed, Finn thinks Holdo's actions are a decidedly a First Order tactic (bleeding Resistance resources, using that excuse to gather allies, and then attempting to wipe them all out at once*), and therefore she must be a spy. So, along with Ko Connix and Poe's other friends (maybe bring Black Squadron or Inferno Squad back for this?) they stage a coup.


    Now, let's talk about Rey. For those actually reading this (and to those people I say thank you, truly. I've been dying for a chance to share this revision) you might be wondering about the lack of Rey so far. That's because when I started this, I was only changing things I had issues with. Rey and Luke (and Kylo Ren to a degree) were all things I had ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH. Therefore, I didn't want to change it. Then, The Rise of Skywalker came out, and I realized that there are some things I could - and want to - change.**

    For Rey, it's some of her scenes with Kylo. Kylo appears during Rey's lightsaber training. Kylo mentions she's good, but needs more practice, and tells her to follow his steps. We see Kylo follow an intricate routine of battle moves, and Rey following along until the two are in sync. Luke watches, but as this goes on, his face goes from curious to horror. Yet he never steps in. The kata ends, and Kylo compliments Rey's skills, Rey is surprised at herself, until she sees the background of where Kylo is. He's on a planet, and around him are corpses. Rey realizes that she that as she was in sync with Kylo she has helped massacre these people. She drops her saber and flees.
    The next scene with Kylo involves flying. Instead of Swolo Ren, Rey recognizes that they're bonded as Kylo is flying a ship. Kylo doesn't tell her where, but he lets go of the controls and tells her to use the Force to guide him. Rey is reluctant, until Kylo mentions that he trusts her. As they fly, Kylo mentions that Han taught him how to fly. It's one of the things they enjoyed together, and one of the things he still enjoys. It reminds him of a time before his sister went missing. Rey mentions that she dreamt of flying away while on Jakku. Kylo asks if she still does; Rey doesn't respond. Kylo says "Let's fly home, Rey." The connection abruptly cuts, and Rey shouts "no!"


    The scene switches to Kylo. He lands his ship on the ground of a stormy planet. He approaches a monolith. An elevator descends as storms dance in the sky. The erratic lighting illuminates monuments to Sith past. As Kylo walks towards a certain point, we hear "At last, my boy." Kylo ignites his lightsaber, and the scene ends.

    The Rise of Skywalker is almost too much movie in one. As such, I thought it'd be nice to space things out and add in the first scenes of the movie here. I also wanted to add towards the horror and allure of Rey to Kylo. Kylo helps her, then hurts her, then offers her something she still wants. It's a terrible, terrible cycle but one that deepens their connection. This will end terribly, of course, but hey, attachment!

    During Rey's last ForceTime with Kylo, Kylo would mention how he used to have a sister. But his mother saw something when she was born and abandoned her. *** Kylo was afraid that if his parents could do that to her, they could do it to him, and they did. They left him with Luke, like they left her with Luke. But she's not alone. They hand-touch, and Luke interrupts.
    Luke and Rey shortly spar. It's a draw, and Luke exiles her off the island. Rey asks about him betraying Kylo, and Luke truthfully answers - it was a moment of reflex. He had fought evil for so long, in himself, in his father, in the galaxy, that on reflex he ignited his blade against his nephew. It was a moment of reflex, and after he was left with shame and consequences.
    Rey says she's going to join her brother. Luke scoffs at this, saying that family doesn't determine her role in the galaxy, and it's not on this island. So leave. And Rey does.

    As you can see, I've changed the nature of Rey and Ben's relationship a bit. No longer is it romantic, but slightly familial. I believe this allows for a more genuine intimacy and is more in line with what each of them want. Five scenes (Rey shoots Kylo, Kylo tells Rey about Luke, Kylo and Rey train, Ben and Rey fly, Ben and Rey hand-touch) should be just about enough.

    Back to the boys - Leia wakes up and ends the coup, and everybody on the Raddus ships out. Finn didn't know about Crait because the First Order didn't know. Leia subtly chastises Holdo for not trusting a hero of the Resistance.
    Rey goes off to meet Ben, who has since returned from his mysterious journey, his training seemingly complete. Ben betrays Rey. On the elevator, Rey tells Ben that she knows who he is, and that they will betray his master and he will redeem himself for his family. Ben tells her he now knows why she was abandoned. They go to Snoke's throne room, and Snoke reveals that Rey is a Dyad, two force beings connected as one, and is as powerful as the Chosen One without the restrictions of prophecy. Snoke gloats about how he stole the fledgling bond from Rey's original pair to bridge the gap to Kylo, effectively tying the Dyad to his own will and command.**** Ben betrays Snoke, and the two fight the guards.
    Poe and Rose are betrayed by Zorri - she wanted a clean slate from Poe's actions as a spice-runner, and is given a captain's signal. Zorri mournfully tells Poe that he shouldn't have joined. The ships start to get shot down.
    As Ben and Rey's fight ends, Ben states that he needs to tear the system down, to let the past die. Rey asks if her brother could really do that. Ben then says that Rey isn't his sister. Ben knows EXACTLY where his blood sister is; he's known ever since becoming Kylo Ren. Ben asks if Rey knows why she was abandoned. Rey quietly asks Ben not to do it. Ben states that it's because she's a Palpatine. Her parents tried to be warlords after the Empire fell, and were killed by the New Republic. That Rey was abandoned simply because some soldier didn't want to kill a child. Rey starts to cry. Ben says that evil is in her blood, as it is in his. But they can start a new regime together, on her homeworld of Exogul. Just them. Ben extends his hand, and says "Let's fly home, Rey."

    Rey, ever the hero, goes for the Skywalker Saber instead.

    Ackbar performs the Holdo Move (Hux calling the Raddus turning around a trap), earning a Glorious Death. Poe and Rose take down Phasma and escape.
    Crait battle happens as is, but this time Poe goes for the sacrifice play. He claims that he's making up for his failures from earlier, and that if he can take down the cannon, then Paige's sacrifice would be worth it. Rose stops him, and does her "we win by saving what we love," and kisses Poe.

    Poe and Rose getting together clears my shipper heart for FinnRey. But it's also built off of the idea that Rose is conflicted about her relationship. What is it like to fall in love with the man who is more or less the reason your sister died? How do you reconcile that? This action gives them the chance to explore that theme in TROS.


    Luke arrives, and as he says goodbye to Leia, he mentions to Finn that he left something for him, when the time is right. Poe FINALLY learns his lesson when Luke goes out to fight, and the Resistance retreats.
    Rey searches for the Resistance, but can't reach them directly, as her scanners are picking up too much interference from the salt foxes. She turns off her scanner and uses the Force. She connects with Finn, and they meet. As they hug, Luke smiles and disappears. The movie ends with everyone on the Falcon, and Leia saying they have everything they need.

    *A subtle shoutout to Vader and Starkiller's plan in Force Unleashed. And Thrawn used it in Rebels, so he wouldn't even be wrong.
    **Obviously these changes aren't limited to Rey's story. See Zorri's inclusion earlier than TROS for that.
    ***These are KYLO'S OWN FEELINGS. This isn't entirely wrong, but also not the whole story.
    ****I felt this would be more in line with everything about the Dark Side and how users work. The Dark Side is quicker, more seductive, and offers you something you think you need. But it also can't build, construct, or create. Not truly. So Snoke stealing something to make it his own works in my mind.


    I'll work on TROS's revision tomorrow; I have something else planned to finish today.


    EXTRAS:
    @TheTrueStarWarsSqueal Welcome to the Cantina. There's a LOT that happened between ROTJ and what would count as Episode 7 in the comics. And the story goes far beyond just that. There are generations of Skywalkers and Solos after Luke, Han, and Leia pass. It's crazy.
     
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    This is a joke, right?
     
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    Thanks

    Why not? Demons were only Sith Lords Ghost? Since Rian Johnson can take everything that shouldn't be in the Star Wars movies and easer everything good about Star Wars from PT and the OT. I think it'll be okay for me to do also.

    MOD EDIT
     
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    Edit to TFA revision: Maybe replace Maz Kanata (I love her character, but she really doesn't do much) with Qi'ra. There really isn't a reason behind this, but I like the idea that this wise, compassionate elderly lady used to work for one of the most violent and feared criminal organizations in the galaxy. Maybe Maz is still around, but lets Qi'ra run the shop, and we only see Maz when the lightsaber calls to Rey. Just spitballing ideas.

    EDIT: Also, TROS's "revisions" are taking longer than expected...mostly due to me being pretty lazy about it. But I think I figured out the main changes! I think...
     
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    Here are my intros of Star Wars Squeals:

    A long time ago in a galaxy far,

    far away....



    STAR

    WARS



    Episode VII



    THE FALL OF REPUBLIC



    The Debt collectors captured Han Solo and the Millennium Falcon as theirs. They took it as Han Solo's debt is paid. They dumped him off the closest planet. When the Millennium Falcon came outdated for travel. They dumped it on Jakku.



    Mara Jade the wife of Luke Skywalker. A Hooded figure killed her in front of Ben Solo. The Hooded Figure destroyed Luke's Family expect for the Solos family.



    After Luke failed to save his nephew from the Darkside. He went to an island to think and get away from the force.

    After there are no more Jedi Knights or Jedi Masters due to Luke refusing to create a new Jedi. The Republic fell into the New Order.
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    A long time ago in a galaxy far,

    far away....



    STAR

    WARS



    Episode VIII



    THE FORCE REAWAKENS



    Captain Phasma took a young boy to become a normal stormtrooper from the age of 6. The boy is now known as FN-2187.



    Until his conscience took over him and he went AWOL. He's the first Stormtrooper that went rogue on the Sith. Snoke could sense the small force in him but he knows the rule of two in the Sith.



    Snoke with the power of the Knights of Ren killed all the rest of the new Jedi order similar to the order 66. The only Jedi left was Luke Skywalker.



    Now it's a race to find Luke Skywalker. Princess Leia becomes General Leia after she starts the Resistance against the New Order. She helps Holdo in her force abilities.
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    A long time ago in a galaxy far,

    far away....



    STAR

    WARS



    Episode IX



    THE LAST JEDI



    The deaths of Han Solo and Leia. Rey found out she's Force Ghost Great Grandaughter of Obi-wan's master, Qui-Gon Jinn and Great Great Great-granddaughter of the Emperor.



    Kylo Ren is the son of Han Solo and Princess Leia. Finn is the great-grandson of both Lando and Mace Windu. Mace Windu was Snoke.



    Now the true battles begin to cause the Hooded figure who been manipulated all of the events from the first Death Star to the Star Killer.



    The fate of the Universe weights in this battle. Will the Resistance come out on top? Even with the Force Ghost helping them?





     
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    Does this happen in the movie or before the movies?

    Do we need to explain who Mara Jade is for the audience. Who is the Hooded Figure? Why leave the Solo family alive?

    What drove his nephew to the Dark Side?

    This directly contradicts what you say below. But more importantly, why did Luke refuse to teach new Jedi? Why did he oppose Yoda's last request?

    Aren't the Sith supposed to be destroyed after ROTJ? What about the prophecy of the Chosen One? If there aren't any Sith, Snoke can train FN-2187 at his own leisure.

    You're...gonna have to explain this one to me. How do Leia's Force abilities help Holdo?

    Please explain THAT family tree to me! I like the idea of Rey being a Kenobi or a Jinn, or even the Palpatine she is. But I need a family tree!

    ...so Finn is related to the other two most prominent black people...and Lando's not THAT old! And why would Mace Windu have children?!

    That's totally fine.

    Who is the Hooded Figure, and why are we only finding out about this at the end?* What's the threat?

    @TheTrueStarWarsSqueal you seem to have some pretty interesting ideas, especially in combining the Legends stuff with the new Canon stuff. But I guess my question is mostly why are you making these specific decisions? What do they mean to you? What do they mean to the plot? What do they mean to the characters? What do they mean to the audience? What arcs do these characters go on?

    I ask these questions as hopefully constructive criticism. Feel free to throw the same back at me. We might not get to the same page, but iron sharpens iron!


    *Hypocritical of me, I know. But I have a way to work in Palpatine's attempt to come back in TLJ's revision.
     
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    I'd have let Luke stay alive as Grandmaster longer for sure. And made the resistance a bit more stable for the long run.
     
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    1. It happens before the movie.



    2. At the end of Episode VII. We see Luke with Mara Jade. Have Luke train Leia in the force.



    3. The same way Jar Jar influence Padme in Episode 2.



    4. Luke didn’t want another 66 to happen too soon.



    5. There is always be a Prophecy. One is done and others come. When do the bad guys keep the laws?



    6. Leia teaching Holdo how to use force.



    7. Qui-Gon Jinn never truly follow the Jedi’s way. Similar way Anakin did after him.



    8. Mace Windu is similar to Qui-Gon Jinn but a little more strong in the Sith ways.



    9. Mace Windu was in there before the Attack of the Clones. Lando is probably around the same age as Han Solo at least. So yeah he’s old in the sequels least in my version.



    10. Thanks. I'm glad you like that Mace Windu is Snoke.



    11. To get people coming back to the movie. It’s Jar Jar Blinks.



    Note:



    The reason I made those specific decisions cause I thought the most common sense in my view.



    What do they mean to me? It’s just for fun.



    What do they mean in the Plot? Transforming into a new era of a Gray Jedis only.



    What do they mean to the characters? Passing the torch to the next generation.



    What do they mean to the audience? Simple it’s more Star Wars story onward.



    What arcs they do characters go on? Finn and Rey found out about their family history and they have to get back what they had lost. For the older characters to finish the life cycle.
     
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    After rethinking it, I just wouldn't make the sequels. I would probably continue my story in novels or comics, the movies just ended fine with 6.
     
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    I like the idea of the old trio handing off the torch to new players, but...

    Well, seems unlikely these new actors are gonna continue with Star Wars (at least, not any time soon), they were underutilized, and the films themselves don't leave a ton of room open for multimedia material to expand on them in the era. So, while a good idea, they were honestly kind of wasted.

    So, much as I hate to say it (seriously,I would've strongly disagreed with this idea a few months ago), but these films probably could've focused a little bit more on the original actors- Hamill, Fischer, Ford, BDW, Lawson, etc.

    I'd have still liked to see new characters, but maybe they should've been ancillary to Luke and the gang.

    As far as story goes, I think the idea of a new Empire where one time heroes were unable to prevent the rise again of that which they once had victory over is kind of a fascinating one (and pretty prescient in today's world, too). But it all just seemed to lack context or weight- I think seeing the First Order become a threat through Leia or Luke's eyes could've helped with that. Like, I understand what's going on politically in the GFFA during this time, but I have a hard time believing that when my parents watch the film they get much more out of it than "the Empire is back again". And maybe that's all an audience needs, but... do you ever get a feeling watching a movie that you're having to try just a little too hard to justify the gaps in information? Not necessarily gaps in logic, but that you're simply having to fill in stuff with your mind that the filmmaker left out (though probably shouldn't have). It's so strange, because it makes for a coherent story, but one that feels tiring (and not in a good, challenging way).

    I don't hate the general structure of the sequel trilogy, but the movies often just felt like they had good ideas that were poorly shown on screen (which is bonkers for a film with Star Wars' budget). An easy and common example lately is the space battle on Exegol. Why was so little of it shown? Like, it was simply not a fun thing to watch, and that's really saying something for a gigantic space battle on a Sith planet that starts by the "people" (a great line, by the way) of the galaxy finally rising up to fight their oppressors. Would've been real neat to actually see that battle on screen for some period of time.

    So, I dunno- I probably wouldn't have changed much about this trilogy in the grand scheme of things, other than Point of View, context, and focus.
     
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