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SPECULATION Yay a new prequel!

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Apr 24, 2015.

  1. Grand Admiral Kraum

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    Let's be honest.. This film has more potential to be damaging to the Star Wars canon than the prequels, because if they don't get the design and filming style close to A New Hope (which they absolutely won't if they want to bring young audiences in) it will make A New Hope look dated in comparison.

    I'll say it again, the spinoffs are a bad idea. We don't need a 2 hour film based around one line of a dialogue and the Death Star. They need to get the look and technology PERFECT or....

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    Godzilla was average at best.
     
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    Disagree (not about Godzilla, that was pretty mediocre). The prequels cannot be ignored easily. They tie directly into integral components of the OT plot and characters. Its very difficult to not think of Hayden Christiansen when you hear James Earl Jones say "I am your father". It seeps in whether you want it to or not.

    The standalones can easily be ignored. If you don't like it, it doesn't need to stay in your viewing cycle. Its a throwaway line in the opening crawl. It is of no consequence if you don't want it to be.
     
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    I agree with Max Rebo. It won't really harm the main series because it is not necessary to be part of the series itself, which is why it's considered a spin-off in the first place.

    In any case, the OT will always end up looking dated if simply for the fact that, well, quite frankly the movies are decades old. It's better we not fool ourselves and face the fact that while taking design cues in order to make newer movies seem similar in style is fine, to limit themselves to mimicking the look exactly would hamper any creativity they might have had otherwise.

    I also don't think they'll depart too much from the style of ANH anyways, at least in regards to where it makes sense. They've done so much with TFA to at least draw inspiration from the OT (even going so far as to implementing unused concepts from the era), and with Rebels they've mirrored the designs as much as they could. Changing it up would only anger older fans and possibly confuse/deter younger audiences who will have experienced the heavily OT-influenced TFA and Rebels as their most recent romp into the Star Wars universe.
     
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    I totally agree that the look/style of the film will have to sympathetic to ANH or else it would be noticeabley out of place. But isn't that whats happening now with TFA real locations & real props? That Star Warsie feel so glaringly missing from the PT? I think the zietghiest will be filled in for younger viewers by the Rebels cartoon series, and for us old timers.... well, it will simply remind us of a galaxy we loved a long time ago when things were simpler, safer and happier. Have a little faith in aunt Kathy my friend, Star wars is back, and in good hands too. Bring it on I say, cant wait to see what new tales will be told. :)
     
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    I really hope they do stick to this practical approach across the spinoffs too, I do have faith in Kathleen Kennedy in JJ, fingers crossed..
     
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    We now know the first movie focuses on the death star plans, the next movies should focus on the origins of the characters.
     
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    Can you expand on what you mean by "the characters"? The rogue one characters? The OT big 3?
     
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    Sorry @alex I meant rogue one, we already know the journey of the big three.
     
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    No need to apologize, I'm just a bit daft. I'm kinda hoping that the anthology films are unrelated and expand the universe as much as possible. Do we ever find out what the ROTS crawl means by "there are heroes on both sides"?
     
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    I thought that was just an introduction to Greivous. Was there thought that it related to someone else we hadn't seen yet?
     
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    I never considered Grevious to be a hero. I thought it meant "good guys on each side", are you taking it to mean more like "each side has its own champions"?
     
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    Exactly Greivous was a hero to the Seperatists. As was Dooku. Especially in this case where although both sides were under the influence of the SIth, neither was actually evil. There was both good and evil on both sides. And mostly each was the pawn in a larger conflict. But to the citizens of the separatist worlds, who were convinced the Republic was tyrannical, Greivous would be a war hero.
     
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    Forgive me for my lack of knowledge on the subject, but what is Count Dooku/the Separatists deal, anyway? What are they fighting for? All I really know is that Count Dooku was a Jedi gone rogue (I think. The movies never made it really clear to me).
     
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    They never make it really clear. But it starts with the trade federations disapproval of the taxation of trade routes. Expands to the banking clan and techno union army in AotC. From Dooku's explanation you can assume its a combination of unfair trade and economic regulations mixed with Dooku's assertions that a Sith is in control of the senate and is influencing policy. From Geonosis through the clone wars they get more systems on their sides presumably from the spreading rumors of corruption and the atrocities of war (with significant manipulation from Dooku one would assume).

    But the end point is one of my favorite aspects of the prequels. The separatists are right. The sith are controlling the senate. The clones are a danger. The Jedi are weakened and corrupted. And the republic really is a thinly veiled dictatorship. All of the Separatists claims are true and had they somehow ousted Dooku and pulled out a win there likely would have been no empire.
     
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    Wasn't Dooku a Sith himself? Wouldn't the fact that the Sith controlling the Senate make him happy?
     
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    It was a manipulation to create the War. He controlled the Seperatists and Palpatine controlled the Republic. Both hiding their nature, and both bringing the war, and with it the chaos necessary for Palpatine to seize power.
     
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    Ah, makes sense. Thanks!
     
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    As for the look of "Rouge One," matching the OT, I think we'l be okay.

    In the OT, we never really saw "civilization." We saw a hive of scum and villainy (Tattooine), a military outpost in some ancient ruins (Yavin 4), a military outpost hidden on a glacier world (Hoth), a floating city that was working on the outskirts of society (Bespin), and a forest planet in the middle of no where (Endor). The only sign on "high society," we did really see was the Empire, who had a fairly sterile aesthetic. The Rebels were mostly using cast-off and/or second rate materials--stuff they could scrounge. There were a few rare examples of top-notch tech, but mostly they weren't the top dog. Our one glimpse of regular society was inserted after the fact--the celebration on Coruscant (which, honestly, sort of contradicts the whole "people don't know what happened" plot of "Aftermath," that is coming up).

    Pretty much, OT was the "Ghetto" of the Galaxy.

    The PT had Naboo: high culture and architecture, as well as technology. Coruscant (The Capitol of the Civilized Galaxy): showed a plethora of ships, technology, arcfhetecture that must be several hundred years old, and lifestyle. Kamino: A "sterile" world of high tech science. Geonosis: A world (once) part of the Republic, but with it's own unique architecture and culture, Utapau: A fairly advanced civilization, though rarely seen. Others were shown in passing, but this was during the "height" of the Republic, before it's fall.

    What I am getting at here, is that the films took place in two very different parts of the Galaxy, during two distinct times. This is also true of the filming period between the OT, PT, and ST. Some things will be familiar, yet some things will be very much different to us.
     
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    I'm wondering if we're going to get to see our first SW ship with a cloaking device in this movie, then wait for the uninitiated in the audience to explode with rage, forgetting the line, "no ship that small has a cloaking device," from the OT. :D
     
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    I think the anthologies will have no relationship to each other other than the fact that they take place within the Star Wars universe.
     
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