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Yes: This trilogy is pre-planned.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by perrymoon, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. perrymoon

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    I kinda feel a huge relief when hearing Adam Driver answering this question

     
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    Uh, RJ says differently. I believe him.
     
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    I don't think it's contradictory. You can have freedom to write the story however you want and in the same time have some basic notes as to what the story is leading.

    If you think about it, the sole fact that RJ asked JJ to make a change in his movie (BB8 replaced by R2 in Achc-to) shows that this is a collaborative process among the different directors. THEY DO TALK and they do build this together. I guess what basically Adam Driver means is that JJ knew what he was doing when shooting Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren under the rain. So most probably JJ will make his homework now that he's the director of IX and fill some gaps.
     
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    I get what you're saying but seriously RJ has now said several times that there was zero plan whatsoever and that he had complete freedom and no directives. There is no blueprint. Each director has been given total freedom. Look it up :)
     
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    But do you really thing that in the whole process, in which he was visiting the dailies of Episode VII and so on: they were just looking at the knights of ren and JJ said "dude, do what you want with this. The shot looks cool that's it.".

    I believe this is more serious than that. An organic process, ok, but a creative collaboration.
     
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    Good to know.
     
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    I think the answer is probably somewhere in between. I don't think the story group is micro managing the story, but there's probably a rough guideline.

    This also applies to RJ's answer about his pitch for the new trilogy. He says "what if we do something new" and that is? There's no way his pitch was that generic.
     
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    I'm just repeating what JJA, LK and RJ have said multiple times. It sure doesn't seem planned or collaborative. An open-door transparency, sure, but so far everyone has said that each film is it's own thing beholden to nothing but the director's vision.

    I remember desperately wanting to believe that GL had planned out the original trilogy until it became clear that he hadn't.

    Why is a plan so important? Both films were wildly successful.
     
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    I think people just don't get how storytelling works. You can have a general idea where you want things to go (for example, telling a story about family in a war setting), and still not have anything that people in this forum care about (KOR, Snoke) be discussed ahead of time.

    George Lucas didn't know Leia was Luke's sister, or that Vader was Luke's father. He didn't know Anakin raced pods. He certainly didn't know about plagueis.

    People are upset because fans just faced the same test Rey did - her fear that fate might not be guiding events. That she may just be a nobody. Luckily Rey did better reacting to that than some fans have.
     
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    The prequels would be a good example of this.

    He had a rough outline with basic events of what I-II-III were (wrote as a backstory for the OT).
    I'm sure most of what was there was altered, but we all knew that Anakin and Obi would fight on the volcano.
     
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    Knowing that there is no planned story arc here does let me relax. I don't speculate like I used to because things may not make sense from film to film. I keep looking for a series that is as well thought-out a with as complex & tight a plot as Babylon 5 had, but Star Wars just isn't it. Fortunately, SW has other charms that keep me coming back.
     
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    Slashfilm.com (December 2015)

    Peter Scietta asks KK if there was a treatment for the whole trilogy when they shot VII:

    "No, because at that point we were sitting down and talking about where this might go, even as early on as with Michael Arndt. We were sort of plotting out, because obviously if you know up front that you’re building the pacing inside a trilogy structure, we needed to have some sense of where this saga was going without locking in on things and leaving room for creative development. But we had to have some sense of where we were going."

    JJ Abrams:

    "We don’t write a treatment but there are countless times we came up with something and said “oh, this would be so great for Episode VIII!” or “Thats what we could get to in IX!” It was just that kind of forward moving story. When Rian who I admire enormously and adore, came on board, we met and talked with him about all the things we were working on and playing with, and he as a spectacular writer and director has taken those things and has written an AMAZING script that I think will be an incredible next chapter, some of which incorporating things we were thinking of and other things are things we could never of dreamed of."

    Kennedy says that Rian came in “very early and he read, and came and visited the set,” but how involved was Rian in The Force Awakens?

    "J.J. and him had a lot of conversations." says Kennedy.
     
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    It seems like a lot of this has gotten lost in all the interviews. I think they have some idea where the story is going, but I wonder if Fisher's death wrecked some of it. I really seems like they were setting up for a Mother/Son finale in IX and we won't get that now. That's a huge change and I can understand why CT could have struggled to get the story right after that decision was made.
     
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    I think you have it right as the general idea. I interpret it differently though. I think that works better when you have one guy in charge, but playing hot potato with the plot between RJ and JJ I think caused a lot of issues. I'm sure they talked, but I feel they should have had more discussions. But that's just my opinion.
     
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    Complete freedom eh? So he could off killed Rey if he wanted?
     
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    Does anybody honestly think that Disney would allow directors/writers to throw darts at a wall and see which plot points would be used to make a multibillion dollar movie? Because that's what it sounds like.

    There is absolutely no way that Disney and its share-holders would allow this type of free-range movie making. At a minimum, Kathleen Kennedy is vetoing any ideas that are outside of the comfort zone. Look at the drama coming out of the stand alone movies and ep IX director change, and this is just the stuff we know about. Yes they want creativity, but someone has to sign off on it.
     
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    So turning Luke into a sea cow milk drinking, runs away from everthing, coward, loser was in the "comfort zone"?
     
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    Deconstructing heroes is the hip thing now.
     
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    Sadly yes.
     
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