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Yes: This trilogy is pre-planned.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by perrymoon, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. Pawek_13

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    Every time this question gets asked, we get an answer that contradicts the previous one. Does it really matter to us that much? Dark Universe was pre-planned and look how it turned out (let me tell you - it ended before it actually began.)
     
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    "Here’s what I think I know. J. J. wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII& IX," "Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote TLJ entirely."

    — Daisy Ridley

    ;)
     
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    That's cool. So we know VIII was drafted, then Rian wrote it.

    You know, like every movie ever created. Neat!

    ;)
     
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    Keywords being "wrote TLJ entirely" ;)

    also from Daisy: "I believe Rian didn’t keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII."
     
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    "Wrote" not "rewrote".

    One big topic of discussion here was on story beats that were outlined- for instance, was Rian required to kill Luke, was Snoke outlined to die, etc. Even if Rian rewrote the meat on JJ's apparent outline, the bones may still have been left in tact.

    And I love Daisy, but I seriously doubt she was involved that heavily in this part of the process, I'd have to hear this information from someone involved in the actual storyboarding to take it seriously. This is really just hearsay. ;););)
     
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    "I had complete freedom to do whatever I want (or similar, I don't have an exact quote)"

    — Rian Johnson

    With all my love for Daisy, in this case I trust the guy who actually directed and wrote the film and spent over three years working on it. As I've said in my previous post, every time this question gets asked, we get an answer that contradicts a previous statement. We don't know Jack about whether the sequel trilogy was planned, wasn't, it was but it was scrapped, it was planned to be planned but something didn't work out or else. And I repeat once again - does it really matter if it was pre-planned or not? There are many examples of franchises, especially recently, that were pre-planned and failed miserably at delivering (DCEU, Dark Universe, the second series of Spiderman films,) as well as planned and good franchises (MCU... is there something else? I am genuinely asking.).
     
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    I think it's safe to say Daisy is way more knowledgeable on this topic than you or I. Again, she said she doesn't believe Rian kept anything from the first draft. As strict as they are about keeping matters like this tight-lipped I'm she wouldn't have stated this without some form of confidence. ;)

    Plus, look at how awful TLJ is, there's no way JJ and Lawrence's scripts could've been that bad. It's clear he threw everything out. :D
     
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    Insert overused Crait Luke meme here...

    I don't know man, I guess the difference is Daisy isn't trying to pick apart RJ's words to further some conspiracy theory.
     
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    What's that supposed to do with planning or lack theeof of the ST? Look, dislike TLJ as intensely as you want, but that's not the topic of the discussion.
     
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    It was just a little joke. A tagline to our constructive discussion. I apologize.
     
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    The whole point of this thread appears to be lost to some people. There's a rough outline to this thing. The creators are free to tell the story they want inside that outline. This idea the RJ scrapped the entire trilogy comes from a French translation of an interview with an actor who isn't involved in the creative process.
     
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    Maybe one day there will be more light shed on how TLJ came to be, with more facts and reasoning behind the decisions that were made. If the trilogy was (is) planned, I'm just curious as to what guidelines were in place and how much flexibility RJ truly had to veer from what was handed to him.
     
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    Trust me, I'd like to know too.

    If anything, we also have this quote from Daisy Ridley from the same interview you were drawing from:

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    Which, as @DailyPlunge pointed out, does suggest that the trilogy is indeed planned (if Daisy is to be believed here).

    What those "main lines" are is anyone's guess, but some things (like Luke's death) seem pretty obviously inescapably main tier.
     
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    I think people mistake wrote, rewrote, completely rewrote, etc. with completely changing the story. Story could be wrote and rewrote over and over again and still have the same basic outline. Rey's parents may have always been no bodies. Snoke may have always been just a tool to push Kylo to the dark side and over the edge. Snoke may have never been the ultimate big bad, but how he was presented and the actions that took place may have been changed time and time again. Poe may have always been planned to end up the leader of the resistance (Well after JJ decided not to kill him after his script was done).
     
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    Nice to read this because it wasn't obvious.
     
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    If a rough sketch of where this story is supposed to go wasn't made (and isn't being followed) before filming Episode VII, they did it wrong, imo. It's one thing to create a new series and not know how far it will go, but going in KNOWING it's going to be a trilogy and not having a rough outline would be insane.
     
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    I believe this ST was pre-planned loosely. I believe JJ wrote Plot points A C M Z must happen and left Rian and Colin to fill in the rest of the alphabet.
     
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    It seems that Star Wars, unlike any other film series/franchise/whatever is put under a microscope and endlessly debated. I'm with you to a certain extent. I would prefer it was preplanned, at least in a general way so that things fit together. Kind of like MCU. However, that doesn't guarantee success.

    What I care about is the final product. I want films that make me think, films that challenge me, and at the end of the day, films that entertain me for a couple of hours and make me forget the real world. So far the ST has done that.

    I'm a little worried about the one shots, but that's a different topic.
     
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    DISHONOR! LOL
     
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    Ah the "JJ Special"
    "here's a movie with 26 plot points and 22 of them mystery boxes! It's genius! Good luck writing this into a satisfying way that won't anger fans for years!"
     
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