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Yoda interaction with Luke

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Xeven, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. Xeven

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    I loved having Yoda back. Love seeing him guiding Luke as a Master. I was not satisfied with how Yoda treated him like a Padawan learner. Luke and Yoda’s interaction should have been one closer to equals at this point in Luke’s growth as a Master Jedi. At this stage, Luke should have been portrayed as very Wise and Powerful.

    RJ’s treatment of Luke in TLJ would have been appropriate 5 or even 10 years after ROTJ but not at this point. I am very unhappy with the portrayal of Luke at this point in his life.

    TLJ gave us a coward Luke, a Luke that had not grown much wiser than the Young Luke in ANH. A Luke that abandoned his friends and family and even the galaxy he saved. A Luke that Ghost Yoda treated like a child.

    Even Anakin was more Heroic than the Luke we were given by RJ.
     
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    Genocides committed:

    Luke - 0

    Anakin - 2...maybe more.

    #RealHeroesCommitGenocide
     
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    Everything you just said was wrong. :cool:


    Luke's final act was arguably the greatest heroic deed ever witnessed in SW thus far.

    I'll see myself out. Have a good day.
     
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    Agreed.
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    Biggest feat of Force Power ever seen on screen. He did not go out and Dragon Ball Z the First Order (which I am sure Geeks and Gamers would have loved) and take them all on with aggressive devastating attacks. He beat them by being a Jedi. He used the force for defense and outsmarted his opponents.
     
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    It's also about the legacy he leaves by facing the entire First Order on his own. As evidenced in the epilogue scene with the kids, Luke's story spreads throughout the galaxy and provides -dare I say it- hope to those that are seemingly powerless. Ultimately it'll unite them to defeat the FO once and for all.

    This act had has a greater impact on the entire galaxy than anything Luke could've done if he had physically faced the FO. Luke's final, selfless act will likely inspire an uprising of support for the Resistance.
     
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    Luke's interaction with Yoda is one of my most favorite moments of TLJ and maybe the whole SW saga.

    A master will always be a master and he will always see his students as students. A master never stops teaching even though if his student is also a master and maybe even more powerful than the prior master.

    A conversation between equals would have been boring and not necessary. The movie should have refrained from Yoda completely then.
     
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    This wasn't a conversation between peers. Even some 30+ years down the road, Yoda was still Luke's Jedi master. And with some 800 years of training Jedi, it would be hard for any Jedi master to consider themselves the equal of Yoda, both in regards to mastery of the Force as well as in the realm of wisdom.

    Yoda's message regarding failure was among the most significant things he shared with Luke. Failure is among the greatest teachers, and Luke needed to learn from his failure, both with Ben and the training temple, and with his failure to completely teach Rey. And the message that all students must eventually surpass their masters was one of humility. One that even esteemed masters as Yoda and Luke would have to learn to accept.

    Yoda was also wise enough to tell Luke that the ancient Jedi texts were not the end-all, be-all that he might have thought. As much as Luke had worked to disconnect himself from the Force, he still had reverence for some of the ancient lore of the Jedi Order since he had been protecting the tree and the texts. But is that stale structure something that Rey should look to as she moves forward? Probably not, especially in light of the history of the Jedi that Luke shared with her during the second lesson. Like Yoda said, Rey had what she needed.
     
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    Mind boggling to say the least... haters of the film are lost, like poor souls, that can not see, like poor Anakin Skywalker and poor Ben Solo.



    He tries to please them all
    This bitter man he is
    Throughout his life the same
    He's battled constantly
    This fight he cannot win

    A tired man they see no longer cares
    The old man then prepares
    To die regretfully
    That old man here is me

    See ya around kid :cool:
     
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    I didn't have a problem with the way Luke or Yoda were portrayed. Frankly, I thought it was refreshing to see Luke act like a human being again. I always liked the character, but hated his robotic personality in ROTJ. And forgiving Vader? Blast that. This Luke has emotion. He gets scared. ROTJ luke just walks around all emotionless and "rational".
     
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    I'm so happy that Disney didn't hire you to direct and write TLJ.
     
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    Robotic personality? I didn't think Luke was robotic at ALLLL in ROTJ. Robotic would be more appropriate to describe NP in TPM IMO.

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    What is that, about 10 to 15 seconds out of the entire movie? Love that movie, but Luke is more cyborg than the theatre is in it.I liked him much better in the first two movies.
     
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    Luke in ROTJ is too serious I think, not robotic, but just too serious.

    I love all of Hamill's work for his character, but the best Luke is from TLJ.
     
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    Funny, my favorite scene in ROTJ may be what you're talking about....and you might be right.

    The scene between Luke and Vader on Endor (when they're alone for really the only time in the film prior to Vader's death scene). Luke is pretty arrogant in that scene (like Rey to Kylo in the elevator) and I can definitely see how one could describe him as too serious, haha. I love that scene for Vader though.
     
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    Actually I'am talking about a Luke too serious in all ROTJ. Since the moment he arrives at Jabba's palace until the very end.

    I think Marquand/Lucas had asked Hamill to act like that.
     
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