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Yoda is out of character in TLJ

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by YubNubBub, Jan 29, 2018.

  1. YubNubBub

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    While I generally like the ST. It is worth noting Yoda is completely out of character for TLJ.

    He is that "goofy" Yoda that Luke first met, and he dropped that facade.

    It is worth discussion, and something they clearly got wrong.
     
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    He still laughed, made faces, and jabbed Luke with his cane after the "facade" was dropped.

    Yoda being a kind, funny, pleasant grandfatherly type to Luke, especially in his super old age, is perfectly reasonable.
     
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    While you will likely accuse me of trolling, I strongly disagree.

    Yoda was a serious Jedi of a serious mind. This has been him all throughout 1-6. He was only "goofy" when he was misleading Luke.

    Even in the Clone Wars series he was incorrectly portrayed.

    He is out of character. For 900 YEARS has he trained Jedi. A Jedi must hold the most serious commitment, the most serious mind.

    To argue he is not out of character is to argue against Yoda himself.
     
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    Aside from the fact that Yoda had several instances throughout all of his appearances in the entire saga as well as the Clone Wars, it is worth noting Yoda was very much in-character in TLJ when he provided Luke with some of the most Yoda-like words of wisdom since the OT. Yoda's conversation with Luke was one of my favorite parts of TLJ and I felt Yoda's character was executed very well.
     
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    Yoda was out of character and had a face lift in TPM.
     
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    Why can't Yoda have more that one aspect to his personality? Limiting Yoda to a one-note character would be doing him a great disservice.
     
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    Yoda is now the most enlightened and with clarity he has ever been as a force ghost.

    This is Yoda at the peak of mastery, where he has grown beyond the "flesh and crude matter," and with focus on his luminous being.

    Once you have all the answers, there's no point to be "stuffy and serious"
     
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    Another explanation is that he is reminding Luke of their first encounter...he’s reminding Luke of his own personality flaws that have never left him. And I’m not sure Yoda entirely conjured up that persona out of nothing to fool Luke.

    Perhaps it’s a bit too goofy for Yoda in the strictest sense. But I prefer it that way. It’s amazing to see the Yoda we fell in love with. It’s genuinely funny and emotive. And it’s not utterly without reason so I’m happy with the choice.
     
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    Yoda always had a sense of humor - since the moment we first see him in the Empire Strikes Back when he took the role of fool to teach Luke a lesson. And even in the prequels when all the Jedi were in the midst of war and portrayed as dead serious, he had moments of humor. There is nothing out of character in his portrayal in The Last Jedi. Once again he takes the role of 'fool' to get Luke out of his funk, to show him that the only important things are here and now.

    To me, he was the extension of what we saw in the Original Trilogy as he should be. Nothing he says or does contradicts his character. I do not know this Jedi of 'the most serious mind' you speak of. I never saw Yoda that way, he was never that to me. His sense of humor and warmth never impeded his dedication to the Jedi and the Force. It certainly didn't stop him from delivering one of his greatest lessons to Luke, the lesson that brought the legend of Luke Skywalker back to the galaxy.
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    Also, to say this is to say Lucas portrayed Yoda, the character he created, out of character. And he approved all the scripts on that show. The most you can say is that this is Yoda in one particular period of his life in very extreme circumstances that is the war. Out of character? No.
     
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    Why can't Yoda have multiple sides to his personality? He is a fun, witty, lighthearted character while also being a serious, wise Jedi when he needs to be. I don't feel the nature of the appearance and conversation required the serious Jedi Master. We saw the witty, teaching Yoda in TLJ.
     
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    This is the best apparition of Yoda since his death in ROTJ.
    The Yoda we see in TLJ is the real one to me, is the one that defines his character: Funny, serious and wise all at the same time.
    And to even get better they just used the puppet, no CGI. Just perfect.
     
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    I honestly have no idea how you came to this conclusion.
     
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    It was some of the few deliberate humorous parts that landed for me. People can be very serious at work, but be hilarious off the clock. I think we saw Yoda in mostly his professional persona in the PT, but in ESB it was partly an act/test and maybe a slightly exaggerated self, but then again, who knows. We mostly only see him when he's supposed to be on task for something important.
     
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    For all of ROTJ yoda was serious. 4 most of the PT he was serious except when crackin a joke with the younglings.
     
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    Context.
     
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    Yep, was Yoda to me.

    Sorry ya didn't like him @YubNubBub .
     
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    So am i out or in of?
     
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    I think we can also assume that Yoda did change in some ways during his time on Dagobah.

    I don't love this trend of labeling someone as "out of character" because they changed over the course of 20+ years.
     
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    When I saw this thread, I thought the gripe was going to be regarding to what Yoda says in TLJ:

    "The greatest master, failure is."

    A friend of mine asked me: does not that contradict what he said in TESB? (Try not. Do or do not. There is no try.)

    I don't think there is much of a contradiction between both statements. In my opinion, there is a difference between doing something and trying to do something. When Master Yoda said "there is no try" he meant that if you go ahead with the expectation of failure, there is a big chance you will fail, because you have already set yourself for failure. However, even with a clear and right mindset, you might end up failing anyway. And why? Because there are things beyond your control. And even then, after a failure there is a great lesson behind. At least that's how I see it.

    Agree.

    Exactly!

    In some way he was reminding Luke that even when both were masters, learning never ends.
     
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